Anybody know if Don Garlits is bringing the Challenger to Bradenton, FL this weekend?

bigshow2966 · 02-21-2009, 07:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bill dedman

Somebody said, "Besides, a Hemi with one carb is just like a stripper with one boob. Looks kinda the same, sounds kinda the same, but just can't get the job done."

Phoenix #1 qualifier:
1 54 A/SA Stephen Hagberg, Berthoud CO, '64 Savoy 10.169 11.30 -1.131

Not bad for a "can't get the job done" combination.... lol!
(Insert more smiley faces here)

Now, where is that boob??? Oh yeah; Chicago! lol!

Not bad for a bogus combination, huh?

bill dedman · 02-21-2009, 05:42 PM

Dennis said, "Not bad for a bogus combination, huh?."
and, previously....
>>>>>>>"Sour grapes is what I hear from you, sir."

Dennis; those "sour grapes" seem to be proliferating.... LOL!

Bill (maybe we should make some wine???)

bigshow2966 · 02-22-2009, 05:46 PM

Bill, all I'm saying is that you defended your disdain for a "bogus factor" with a bogus combination. Am I the only one who sees the irony?

I have been following class cars for many years and am fascinated by them. I also know that sometimes you can make a lot better combination with a pen than you can a dyno.

I see Stinnett already moved into AA/SA. Time will take care of everything.

DonatoEng · 02-27-2009, 10:57 PM

What bogas combination are you talking about, the Challenger or the Savoy ?

bill dedman · 02-28-2009, 02:47 AM

Bigshow,

If you've been following class racing for as long as you say you have, I'm sure you realize that the only time a bogus combination results in a situation where other races are victimized is when the NHRA mandated "factor" allows it.

If the '67 Shelby GT500s had been properly factored, they would have slipped though totally unnoticed, and people wouldn't still be talking about the "paper cars" that could run so unbelieveably far under the indexes.

It's never JUST the "bogus" cars...its the factors that sometimes come along with them.

NHRA strapped extra horsepower on the NASCAR Hemi before they ever got to see one run, so intent were they on making sure they didn't go out and dominate like the Shelbys did. They didn't allow it to go into battle with the horsepower than Mopar had reported it had; NHRA upped the ante (and, the weight) before anyone got a chance to see if that figure was in the ballpark. Not so, the CJ's. Ford said 425, and NHRA said, "SO BE IT!!!"

They run well, these NASCAR Hemis, but I am not at all sure that they are any faster than Henson's "street Hemi" motor in Ronnie West's GTX. Nitro Joe might know...

But, the contention that the NASCAR Hemi car is "bogus" has no pertinenence in the argument about the 2008 CJ's because the ~only~ real argument against the CJ's is the outrageously soft factor NHRA awarded them.
That wasn't done for the NASCAR Hemi motor. Different deal, altogether.

Looks like apples and oranges to me....

No irony there.

My cent-and-a-half...

Bill

DonatoEng · 02-28-2009, 09:45 AM

Very well said.
The factory will try to get the best performance rating they can for a vehicle combination introduction. Its the racers that will cause the HP hit by exploiting the combination and running way too fast.

JHeath · 02-28-2009, 10:45 AM

Bill, how many of those " paper car" 67 Shelby GT500 mustang's are out there running so unbelievebly far under their indexes ?

02-21-2009, 05:42 PM	#2
bill dedman VIP Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Conway, AR Posts: 1,739 Likes: 0 Liked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Re: Anybody know if Don Garlits is bringing the Challenger to Bradenton, FL this week Dennis said, "Not bad for a bogus combination, huh?." and, previously.... >>>>>>>"Sour grapes is what I hear from you, sir." Dennis; those "sour grapes" seem to be proliferating.... LOL! Bill (maybe we should make some wine???) __________________ Bill

02-22-2009, 05:46 PM	#3
bigshow2966 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: chicago Posts: 655 Likes: 676 Liked 181 Times in 56 Posts	Re: Anybody know if Don Garlits is bringing the Challenger to Bradenton, FL this week Bill, all I'm saying is that you defended your disdain for a "bogus factor" with a bogus combination. Am I the only one who sees the irony? I have been following class cars for many years and am fascinated by them. I also know that sometimes you can make a lot better combination with a pen than you can a dyno. I see Stinnett already moved into AA/SA. Time will take care of everything.

02-27-2009, 10:57 PM	#4
DonatoEng Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Milford, MI Posts: 147 Likes: 13 Liked 8 Times in 5 Posts	Re: Anybody know if Don Garlits is bringing the Challenger to Bradenton, FL this week What bogas combination are you talking about, the Challenger or the Savoy ?

02-28-2009, 02:47 AM	#5
bill dedman VIP Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Conway, AR Posts: 1,739 Likes: 0 Liked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Re: Anybody know if Don Garlits is bringing the Challenger to Bradenton, FL this week Bigshow, If you've been following class racing for as long as you say you have, I'm sure you realize that the only time a bogus combination results in a situation where other races are victimized is when the NHRA mandated "factor" allows it. If the '67 Shelby GT500s had been properly factored, they would have slipped though totally unnoticed, and people wouldn't still be talking about the "paper cars" that could run so unbelieveably far under the indexes. It's never JUST the "bogus" cars...its the factors that sometimes come along with them. NHRA strapped extra horsepower on the NASCAR Hemi before they ever got to see one run, so intent were they on making sure they didn't go out and dominate like the Shelbys did. They didn't allow it to go into battle with the horsepower than Mopar had reported it had; NHRA upped the ante (and, the weight) before anyone got a chance to see if that figure was in the ballpark. Not so, the CJ's. Ford said 425, and NHRA said, "SO BE IT!!!" They run well, these NASCAR Hemis, but I am not at all sure that they are any faster than Henson's "street Hemi" motor in Ronnie West's GTX. Nitro Joe might know... But, the contention that the NASCAR Hemi car is "bogus" has no pertinenence in the argument about the 2008 CJ's because the ~only~ real argument against the CJ's is the outrageously soft factor NHRA awarded them. That wasn't done for the NASCAR Hemi motor. Different deal, altogether. Looks like apples and oranges to me.... No irony there. My cent-and-a-half... Bill __________________ Bill Last edited by bill dedman; 02-28-2009 at 02:50 AM.

02-28-2009, 09:45 AM	#6
DonatoEng Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Milford, MI Posts: 147 Likes: 13 Liked 8 Times in 5 Posts	Re: Anybody know if Don Garlits is bringing the Challenger to Bradenton, FL this week Very well said. The factory will try to get the best performance rating they can for a vehicle combination introduction. Its the racers that will cause the HP hit by exploiting the combination and running way too fast.

02-28-2009, 10:45 AM	#7
JHeath Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Minneapolis Posts: 786 Likes: 2,876 Liked 370 Times in 101 Posts	Re: Anybody know if Don Garlits is bringing the Challenger to Bradenton, FL this week Bill, how many of those " paper car" 67 Shelby GT500 mustang's are out there running so unbelievebly far under their indexes ? __________________ Jerry Heath I/S '93 Cobra FS/J 2010 Mustang "Ebay CJ"

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