Mustang MPH?

[Bruce Noland]

Evan,
I don't think Jim was trying to stir the pot. If anything it looked like he was supporting the Ford guys. He may have gotten the pulley deal a little messed up but that is no federal offense. I'm not for stirring the pot any more than I have to. But, then again, this is not your average, run of the mill, let's stick a car into Stock deal.

We'll know more in a couple of weeks. Good luck.

[ss3845]

Originally Posted by Bruce Noland

I'm not for stirring the pot any more than I have to.

Did you really type that????????

[Jim Wahl]

Ok, Evan. Here is where I was wrong. The supercharger drive pulley is a ribbed serpentine device of certain diameter. I don't know what diameter, do you? I did say "number of teeth". I knew after I read the post I was wrong but I figured everyone would know what I meant. I was wrong there also. Forgive me I guess I am still a little old school. Where I am NOT wrong and I would be willing to bet you on is that NHRA will soon come out and make it known that the stock pulley of the correct diameter and part number must be used. Now you asked me to name names. OK, here goes. When NHRA almost dissolved the FWD classes 3 years ago I was deeply involved in it's restructuring. This is widely known among the FWD guys. While working on the restructuring I spoke with many of the "upper crust" of the organization. Among other things, we decided the AF/S class weight break should be a 13lb. class and alow the newer FWD cars coming out of Detroit a place to compete. Cars such as the SRT4 Neon, SS Cobalt, Pontiac GTP and even a couple of imports. One disussion with Len Imbrogno turned to the fact that the SS Cobalt was supercharged. I asked if they (NHRA) were going to regulate the superchargers or just let the AHFS take it's course. Len informed me that Gracia had told him the president on that was set years ago (around 1957) with the supercharged Fords and Studebakers. Now granted this was a few years ago, but I would be willing to bet that he hasn't changed his opinion. Wanna bet? Now this sounds to me as reliable a source as any one you or anybody here has at this time. I'm sure you have his phone number, if not, contact me and I'll give you his cell number. I think it's great the Fords are out and running. Can't wait for the Mopars to hit the track. Oh, and no disrespect taken. I realize you do have a dog in this fight, I don't. Peace my friend. Jim

[Jim Wahl]

Thanks Bruce, you are correct. No pot stirring going on this time, just sharing some information pertinent to the subject! Jim

[Evan Smith]

Jim,

Perhaps I was a bit harsh, but I tire of speculation and inaccurate data as fact. I now see what you mean, and it makes sense.

Maybe NHRA will change the rule, maybe they won't. But as of now you can run any pulleys. Since I am moving to Florida later this year we can have a beer and chat about all this crap.

Evan

[bsa633]

This is not really just about the new CJ's,..sure..this time around "Fordguys" and people that may have a something at stake in it (carbuilders etc.) has been some of the ones defending this...next time it could be anythimg new from Mopar or even GM(even though the economy says different)and others would "cheer" for the "new product"...It's great that new cars are getting in and i hope that more will follow ..but i think we all should set "sportsmanship" first when we think and talk about all this..is it fair to all us racers to get this treatment...new cars that just comes in and blow the competition away "at first glance"? NHRA's probably has some reasons for doing it like this though..hard to do anything about that(and probably lol at us on these boards)..and maybe it's the only reason factory's would show interest if they can go out and be fast with new products right off the bat..thats why i think they should have a class by themself...atleast until they are brought within some reason...

[Jim Wahl]

Evan, harsh? Nah, your just a good soldier for your cause. I have been accused of the same thing once or twice! As for the "any pulley", nope not supercharger pulleys. Water pump, alternator, or idler pulleys yes. almost all tech guys know about the old supercharger ruling. Wanna bet? Would you believe Travis? Go ahead and call Danny, if he'll take my call he certainly will take yours! I would love to sit down with you after your move down here. Where are you planning on living? Jim

[Jeff Lee]

Granted, people are allowed to change their minds and evolve with new times & ideas, but back in the mid-'90's when I ran my AF/S turbo FWD Danny Gracia was VERY clear in one of our conversations that supercharger pulleys were something that MUST remain as delivered from the factory. I always found it ironic to have that position yet not concerned about turbo boost requlations.

[Dinsdale]

Another unsubstantuated rumour, but I heard they have burnt out two sets of brake light bulbs. The 1/8th and 1/4 MPH don't jive. I am a Ford guy but also think this deal smells. I'm happy they are out there but it sure has to be frustrating to the guys who have worked so long and hard to get where they have, only to be run over by a factory backed race car. JMO!!!