Mustang MPH?

[Bruce Noland]

The Firebirds may have been as much as 40 Horsepower soft. It took awhile before they became fast and nhra split them out until the ahfs had a chance to catch up with them. But the new CJ is a pony of a different color and should be fairly classified in a Factory class. The Firebirds were Factory Performance cars as opposed to the Purpose Built CJ for Racing only. The CJ is a purpose built race car that is 150 Horsepower soft. I know you Ford guys think we are picking on, crying, bitching and complaining about the CJs but you can bet you butts that most of us would be angry with any OEM trying to pull off a stunt like this.

Some of you guys say the Firebird was soft so why can't we do it. You say stuff like the ahfs will catch up to these cars but you know it will take years. You're not fooling any one. Some of the Ford guys want this car to run against 40 year old Camaros just to humiliate them. It's that simple. But at what price will Ford pay? What is so bad about a factory class for this car? What is so bad about it? None of you ever say why it's a bad idea. The CJs could romp all day long in a Factory class and really strut their stuff without having all the negative push-back. And the negative push-back will continue to come with each new event.

We saw this coming. The Ford guys had this whole project under wraps and still want to keep it that way. But we figured it out weeks before Pomona and put nhra on notice that we knew what they were up to. It's a bad deal for Stock. History will tell.

RJ,
You're right this whole discussion may be a moot point in 90 days.

[RJ Sledge]

Bruce

I agree with you on a lot of what you said, and as I said in my original post about the HP being soft I meant it. Was it a little soft or a lot soft.....it was a whole lot soft. I really feel for the guys running the same class as these cars, but the only way to make them show SOME of their hand is to make them run them out. I have heard that they are basically configured to run at less than 75% of applicable power available. I don't doubt it. I hope that the AHFS (if there is one anymore) will get it figured out ASAP. I would feel like I used do when having to run against an LS1 in F/SA. It was not a good experience

I do feel that the exposure for Stock and Sportsman Racing is a plus. Maybe when the GM and Mopar products come out they will level the playing field. Only time will tell

As you said it may be a moot point considering the situation with NHRA. I would hope that they will see the light and make adjustments where it will count. It seems that they have been awfully narrow minded in the last few years. Again only time will tell, we might be doing something different in another 12 to 18 months. As a my Pa used to tell me when I was a kid....You need to know the difference between being a pig and a hog......the difference is pigs get fat (not a real bad thing), but hogs get slaughtered (a real bad thing). NHRA has been a little too greedy if you ask me and are heading for the Slaughter House door!! I hope that they wise up before its too late.

R J Sledge

[Bruce Noland]

RJ,
Nice post.

[Bruce Noland]

Smitty,
You are forgetting something. It doesn't take 70 grand to get a 2008 clone to the races. Blown up 2005 Mustangs are going for about 4 grand, the CJ motor is going for 18 grand. So it looks like 40 grand, or less, will put a racer at the top of the heap. And some of these cars are being built as we debate this issue.

[Ed Fernandez]

You can bet none of the Hayak cars are going to go stupid fast.The only solution is someone running A and AA with a ton of money building a car that Bruce just mentioned and going out and blasting down the track.Boy would that piss off all the blue oval fans who are laughing now.Like the TV commercial goes:
Going 1.70 under the index:PRICELESS.

Ed F.

[Floyd Staggs]

I think all I asked for was "Stinnets MPH". I didn't mean to start a 9 page debate.

[goinbroke2]

Originally Posted by Floyd Staggs

I think all I asked for was "Stinnets MPH". I didn't mean to start a 9 page debate.

Yeah but it was "the dreaded CJ's". Say the chrome trim doesn't look right and some on here will want it banned because it doesn't appear factory stock even though many other cars have long since changed trim,bezals, etc.

There are MANY examples and Dick disclosed a few.

Question: What if this was a regular mustang with no factory involvement and just happened to be a soft combo, would it draw the same response?

YES?? Then why don't ALL THE OTHER SOFT COMBO'S CAUSE THE SAME UPROAR?

NO? Then what you are saying is your against factory involvement or FORD FACTORY INVOLVEMENT?

MAYBE? Because it has a blower? AH! the dreaded blower.
How many other cars out there;
1) run boost
2) are underfactored
3) qualify at the top
..LOTS! but again they don't draw the same anger? And they don't cost $70,000 to build (oops I mean $40,000 right bruce?) No they are FWD turbo cars which are a lot cheaper to build than a CJ.

Not often I agree with Dick, but he's dead on. EVERYBODY should see this as a challenge for mopar and GM. If they can't do anything for a while than let ford carry the weight and back the racers and hopefully bring more exposure to S/SS.

What do you think the guys writing cheques at ford are thinking when they bring out a CJ for S/SS and expect to get kudo's and instead read all this crap?? WHY BOTHER! SCREW THEM ALL! We make more money building a gazillion "specialty" mustangs like foose/shelby/bullit/billybob special/etc, why the hell should we waste money on a car that causes a controversy and makes people hate ford? Let's stick to harley/scorpion/rodhall/etc f-150's where we are applauded for our efforts.

Way to shoot yourselves in the foot guys. Hate ford so much that even if they are the last company that can help S/SS (oh yeah THEY ARE!) you hate them?