"WHAT IF" part 4

[treessavoy]

Originally Posted by X-TECH MAN

First thing is I want to thank Kenny Mile and the Class racer Forum for giving Alex Denysenko and my self the oppertunity to use this forum to start this project. The association does not yet have its permanet name but as soon as its decided on we will have a web site up within approx. 2 to 3 days and we will start to post info under the new part if this forum for Racing associations. We have a few title sponsors on line already and we will make this a real member association and anouncements on these sponsors at a later post.. We are planning to have Super Stock, Stock, A modified/comp. style eliminator similar to the old modified classes if possable, a quick 32 Super Stock and a quick 32 Stock with a CIC as NHRA,s comp. Also included is TOP Stock, and Jr. Stock heads up as per current rules. Part of the show will include the NSS cars also known as Nostalgia Super Stock from the NMCA races. There will be NO .90 classes so to allow time for qualifying and time trials without sitting at your trailers all day. If you run Top Stock and Jr. Stock you will be allowed to run in the regular stock eliminator as these cars will have thier own index without having to change wt. or the minor changes allowed fot these heads up catagories as long as the extra enty fee is paid. We are looking at a well known track (We hope.....Large and 1st class) at the moment but rest assured we will be on the west coast, South, North, and mid West for 2011 with a 4 to 6 race series. Thats about all I have right now and will let you know more as things come together. Right now we are possably leaning toward calling the association the "UNITED CLASS RACERS ASSOCIATION" that Myron Piatek suggested but that is not set in stone yet. Any comments good or bad will be taken under discussion. Remember this is all just coming together and all is not set in stone yet. By the way..... some TV rights are being looked at also so at last the sportsman racer will recieve some exposure that they deserve.. Terry Bell

There is a ground swell of people that want to bring back the old "junior stock" from the '70's. The days of high winding small blocks and tri-five chevy's but of course there is no place to race these cars,

Perhaps this would give them an opportunity.

Jim

[Jeff Lee]

If I had my own series and I wanted something that would do well in a "Pinks" style TV show, I would use "regular" NHRA / IHRA class guides and combine 3 concurrent classes on a similar weight break like Top Stock. Sticks & auto's heads up racing just like you would find in the streets.
So all the ABC cars would compete heads up, the DEF cars, GHI cars, etc. I think it would be great racing, great spectator appeal and great on camera. Applies to Stock & Superstock. No Top Stock rules would apply to the regular classes.
Weight breaks might be an issue on 1/2# vs. 1# but if you can't get around an issue like that don't race.

[X-TECH MAN]

Originally Posted by treessavoy

There is a ground swell of people that want to bring back the old "junior stock" from the '70's. The days of high winding small blocks and tri-five chevy's but of course there is no place to race these cars,

Perhaps this would give them an opportunity.

Jim

IHRA has allowed the older cars for years. The pure stock class is just like the old Jr. stockers and yes we plan on having a place for them in the class racers association but be prepared for tear down inspections if you run one of them.

[vic guilmino]

i like the old pure stock no headers no slicks etc

[John Lang]

Keep the tire rule at 9" ! Use the NHRA & IHRA classes alike for stk and ss, my suggestion! John....

[Robert Swartz]

Originally Posted by John Lang

Keep the tire rule at 9" ! Use the NHRA & IHRA classes alike for stk and ss, my suggestion! John....

The fly in the ointment here. Two points, IHRA allows (1) 10.5 tires and (2), they also allow the springs to be moved inboard for tire clearence. NHRA doesn't allow this. My contention, why not allow a maximum of a 10.5 tire, those that have NHRA legal cars, if they can fit them under the fenderwells, can run them.

The view I'm taking, you're cross polinating here, so some cars have already been built under one rule structure. Some might take it that using the IHRA rules makes it more liberal. The 9 inch tire really won't bother me, that's been my plan from the beginning. As I've stated, I'm building a crate motor car. I do want to keep it within the confines of NHRA rules, in case I decide one day to build a 301 Pontiac or 403 Oldsmobile motor.

To me that's another issue, what about those of us that populate these classes, crate motor and GT. Since I can't run NHRA events with this car as a crate motor or GT stocker. My option to use the rules that are allowed, give me a little more leeway than the guy running a car that competes in NHRA. If I chose to take advantage of them.

Robert Swartz

[Harry 6674]

Originally Posted by John Lang

Keep the tire rule at 9" ! Use the NHRA & IHRA classes alike for stk and ss, my suggestion! John....

I couldn't agree more. If you want fat tires, narrowed rearends and moved in frame rails theres Super stock. It ain't stock. Course you could still run stocker tires but it could be a handfull with the narrow track. Sort of like driving with one of those inflateaspares on.

[X-TECH MAN]

Originally Posted by Harry 6674

I couldn't agree more. If you want fat tires, narrowed rearends and moved in frame rails theres Super stock. It ain't stock. Course you could still run stocker tires but it could be a handfull with the narrow track. Sort of like driving with one of those inflateaspares on.

This quote just shows how much some dont know what they are talking about. They are not allowed narrowed rears, they are not allowed to move the frame rails and if you want to call a 10,5 (non W ) tire fat then go for it. They are allowed minor movement of the rear leaf springs to clear the side wall. The 10.5 tire was allowed mainly for the higher HP cars in AA and A, etc at the time this came about some of the southern IHRA tracks that these races were held on were not of the highest caliber in the traction dept. Besides have you ever seen how much modification of the wheel house and external fender is required to put a 9 inch slick on something like a 66-67 Chev Nova for NHRA. Oh yeah...its just a "STOCK" bolt on deal.....lol.

[Harry 6674]

Originally Posted by X-TECH MAN

This quote just shows how much some dont know what they are talking about. They are not allowed narrowed rears, they are not allowed to move the frame rails and if you want to call a 10,5 (non W ) tire fat then go for it. They are allowed minor movement of the rear leaf springs to clear the side wall. The 10.5 tire was allowed mainly for the higher HP cars in AA and A, etc at the time this came about some of the southern IHRA tracks that these races were held on were not of the highest caliber in the traction dept. Besides have you ever seen how much modification of the wheel house and external fender is required to put a 9 inch slick on something like a 66-67 Chev Nova for NHRA. Oh yeah...its just a "STOCK" bolt on deal.....lol.

I apologize if the frame narrowing is incorrect. I was going from Robert Swartz post. IHRA is not out west so I am not familiar with your rules, sorry. If you believe there are no narrowed rearends in NHRA stocker you may also be mistaken a little bit.

[Michael Beard]

9" tires are fine, IMO.

The 10.5 tire was allowed mainly for the higher HP cars in AA and A, etc at the time as the southern IHRA tracks some of these races are held on are not the higest caliber in the traction dept.

Past tense. Even by the time I joined IHRA 9 years ago, I think they were already putting that old legend behind them. The 'popular image' of the condition of IHRA tracks from way back when is an outdated misconception today. I'll take my 9" M/T radial down any IHRA track without hesitation.

Back to naming the organization, remember that it doesn't *have* to be an acronym. "ProStar" for instance, is a motorcyle racing organization. You define what *you* want, and do the branding & marketing to give it life & meaning.