My First Look at the CJ's - Page 3

Earle Holt · 03-13-2009, 06:31 PM

I understand that you worked for years on that combo, but whether you earn it or not, cars still get refactored if they go "too fast." The same concerns were there when the new Firebirds came out and over time they have been brought into line.

Dale Shannon · 03-13-2009, 06:39 PM

Hey Bruce not to get in a pissing contest with ya, just saying what I here and SEE! I guess we will just wait and see in the near furture. But remember I told you soo. Why has no one commented about getting beat by a bogus slow car?

DaleShannon

Alan Roehrich · 03-13-2009, 06:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dale Shannon

Hey Bruce not to get in a pissing contest with ya, just saying what I here and SEE! I guess we will just wait and see in the near furture. But remember I told you soo. Why has no one commented about getting beat by a bogus slow car?

DaleShannon

So, this is supposedly a legal iron head 427/425 on an honest dyno?

Dale Shannon · 03-13-2009, 07:07 PM

Alan, yes and yes, still nobody says its ok to get beat by a bogus slow car.

Dale Shannon

Alan Roehrich · 03-13-2009, 07:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dale Shannon

Alan, yes and yes, still nobody says its ok to get beat by a bogus slow car.

Dale Shannon

Congratulate him, he's got at least 75HP on anyone I know of, and I know quite a few 427/425 people, and he's got well over a hundred on us. I look forward to seeing him go a 9.75 at sea level and A weight. If he proves he's got 700HP, we'll all get 3% the next Tuesday, even if he's running in AA.

Bogus is bogus, win lose or draw. A bogus car on the ladder affects every other car.

Larry Hill · 03-13-2009, 08:21 PM

Dale good to know that you are alive and kicking.

Colin, I am like you; Im always enthusiastic to race a Ford. I dont beat them often, but still like to race them.

Ken Ken Ken you know one thing about me, I leave nothing in the trailer. What Parts????

Chris DeGidio · 03-13-2009, 09:04 PM

I looked at the same car today.It's pretty complete for a race car,and no doubt you can get the car and be competitive right away.It's put togther well,and you can tell a lot of thought went into it's construction.Comparing the Ford to the new Challenger Drag Pak,I can see which way Mopar decided to go with their war plan.I haven't seen a Drag Pak in person,just pictures,but when the Challengers are completed,they will competitive with the Fords.IMHO,the cost will be about the same,maybe a bit less with the Dodge.Ford did their homework with the Mustang to offer the car as complete as it is.

And Larry Hill is right,the Mopars have never received any "gifts" in the cylinder head department.If Edelbrock, 440 Source,Indy etc ever produces a head with the stock valve size,then we will have finally got a present worth keeping.

Colin Wigle · 03-13-2009, 09:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Larry Hill

Dale good to know that you are alive and kicking.

Colin, I am like you; Im always enthusiastic to race a Ford. I dont beat them often, but still like to race them.

Ken Ken Ken you know one thing about me, I leave nothing in the trailer. What Parts????

Larry,

I am also enthusiastic to race a Dodge. lol

Ken Miele · 03-13-2009, 10:08 PM

Larry, your intake and the hood you used to run. I guess the mopar's guys will tell me that the aluminum intake was an option as well as a 340 six pack hood. I guess mopar ran out of intakes and hoods mid year. I have no problem what parts you can use. In fact your engine combo is a good one, but I do think you should be rated less. You have more cubes and more carbs, while I have more cam and higher compression. I'm willing to put my car at the same weight and run heads anytime you like.

Alan, you are so far off when it comes to Ford's involvement in racing. You maybe be an expert when it comes to GM, but you no nothing about how Ford operates. Yes selling cars is job one, but finding every niche market that works is a high priority and let me tell you they are here to stay.

In the glorified days of the sixties that all the old timers talk about, Ford did the exact same thing as did other manufactures. It was good for stock back then and its good for stock today. I just wish GM would do the same.

Alan Roehrich · 03-14-2009, 07:55 AM

Ken, with all due respect, corporate America is corporate America, they do whatever they can, and whatever they get away with. GM is no different than Ford, which is no different than Chrysler. The old days are gone, it is all about the dollar, and the bottom line. They are not there to save Stock, they are there to sell cars. So is Chrysler, and if GM shows up, they'll be no different. They'll do the same thing in Stock as they do in any other form of motorsports. The difference is,there are a lot of "little people" who will get trampled in the process. A lot more than in NASCAR, or any other "big league motorsports." Human nature is human nature, and where money is concerned, human nature in corporate America can be as low as it gets. It would be wonderful if they had altruistic notions and motives about riding in like the cavalry to save the day, but it just ain't so. They're there to make money, and the more of their money they spend to make money, the more they'll be willing to do anything to ensure their success.

03-13-2009, 06:31 PM	#21
Earle Holt Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 194 Likes: 1 Liked 4 Times in 1 Post	Re: My First Look at the CJ's I understand that you worked for years on that combo, but whether you earn it or not, cars still get refactored if they go "too fast." The same concerns were there when the new Firebirds came out and over time they have been brought into line. __________________ Earle Holt 1055 Stock

03-13-2009, 06:39 PM	#22
Dale Shannon Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Denver NC Posts: 74 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: My First Look at the CJ's Hey Bruce not to get in a pissing contest with ya, just saying what I here and SEE! I guess we will just wait and see in the near furture. But remember I told you soo. Why has no one commented about getting beat by a bogus slow car? DaleShannon

03-13-2009, 07:07 PM	#24
Dale Shannon Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Denver NC Posts: 74 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: My First Look at the CJ's Alan, yes and yes, still nobody says its ok to get beat by a bogus slow car. Dale Shannon

03-13-2009, 08:21 PM	#26
Larry Hill Live Reporter Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Hickory, Ky Posts: 10,629 Likes: 1,922 Liked 10,681 Times in 2,222 Posts	Re: My First Look at the CJ's Dale good to know that you are alive and kicking. Colin, I am like you; Im always enthusiastic to race a Ford. I dont beat them often, but still like to race them. Ken Ken Ken you know one thing about me, I leave nothing in the trailer. What Parts???? __________________ IHM Used Parts https://ihmusedparts.com 888-821-1817

03-13-2009, 09:04 PM	#27
Chris DeGidio Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 364 Likes: 8 Liked 2 Times in 2 Posts	Re: My First Look at the CJ's I looked at the same car today.It's pretty complete for a race car,and no doubt you can get the car and be competitive right away.It's put togther well,and you can tell a lot of thought went into it's construction.Comparing the Ford to the new Challenger Drag Pak,I can see which way Mopar decided to go with their war plan.I haven't seen a Drag Pak in person,just pictures,but when the Challengers are completed,they will competitive with the Fords.IMHO,the cost will be about the same,maybe a bit less with the Dodge.Ford did their homework with the Mustang to offer the car as complete as it is. And Larry Hill is right,the Mopars have never received any "gifts" in the cylinder head department.If Edelbrock, 440 Source,Indy etc ever produces a head with the stock valve size,then we will have finally got a present worth keeping. __________________ Nautilus Racing

03-13-2009, 10:08 PM	#29
Ken Miele Live Reporter Join Date: Dec 2000 Posts: 4,860 Likes: 456 Liked 16,540 Times in 1,521 Posts	Re: My First Look at the CJ's Larry, your intake and the hood you used to run. I guess the mopar's guys will tell me that the aluminum intake was an option as well as a 340 six pack hood. I guess mopar ran out of intakes and hoods mid year. I have no problem what parts you can use. In fact your engine combo is a good one, but I do think you should be rated less. You have more cubes and more carbs, while I have more cam and higher compression. I'm willing to put my car at the same weight and run heads anytime you like. Alan, you are so far off when it comes to Ford's involvement in racing. You maybe be an expert when it comes to GM, but you no nothing about how Ford operates. Yes selling cars is job one, but finding every niche market that works is a high priority and let me tell you they are here to stay. In the glorified days of the sixties that all the old timers talk about, Ford did the exact same thing as did other manufactures. It was good for stock back then and its good for stock today. I just wish GM would do the same.

03-14-2009, 07:55 AM	#30
Alan Roehrich Veteran Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Murfreesboro TN Posts: 5,105 Likes: 1,564 Liked 1,789 Times in 408 Posts	Re: My First Look at the CJ's Ken, with all due respect, corporate America is corporate America, they do whatever they can, and whatever they get away with. GM is no different than Ford, which is no different than Chrysler. The old days are gone, it is all about the dollar, and the bottom line. They are not there to save Stock, they are there to sell cars. So is Chrysler, and if GM shows up, they'll be no different. They'll do the same thing in Stock as they do in any other form of motorsports. The difference is,there are a lot of "little people" who will get trampled in the process. A lot more than in NASCAR, or any other "big league motorsports." Human nature is human nature, and where money is concerned, human nature in corporate America can be as low as it gets. It would be wonderful if they had altruistic notions and motives about riding in like the cavalry to save the day, but it just ain't so. They're there to make money, and the more of their money they spend to make money, the more they'll be willing to do anything to ensure their success. __________________ Alan Roehrich 212A G/S

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