My First Look at the CJ's

Alan Roehrich · 03-13-2009, 07:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dale Shannon

Alan, yes and yes, still nobody says its ok to get beat by a bogus slow car.

Dale Shannon

Congratulate him, he's got at least 75HP on anyone I know of, and I know quite a few 427/425 people, and he's got well over a hundred on us. I look forward to seeing him go a 9.75 at sea level and A weight. If he proves he's got 700HP, we'll all get 3% the next Tuesday, even if he's running in AA.

Bogus is bogus, win lose or draw. A bogus car on the ladder affects every other car.

Larry Hill · 03-13-2009, 08:21 PM

Dale good to know that you are alive and kicking.

Colin, I am like you; Im always enthusiastic to race a Ford. I dont beat them often, but still like to race them.

Ken Ken Ken you know one thing about me, I leave nothing in the trailer. What Parts????

Chris DeGidio · 03-13-2009, 09:04 PM

I looked at the same car today.It's pretty complete for a race car,and no doubt you can get the car and be competitive right away.It's put togther well,and you can tell a lot of thought went into it's construction.Comparing the Ford to the new Challenger Drag Pak,I can see which way Mopar decided to go with their war plan.I haven't seen a Drag Pak in person,just pictures,but when the Challengers are completed,they will competitive with the Fords.IMHO,the cost will be about the same,maybe a bit less with the Dodge.Ford did their homework with the Mustang to offer the car as complete as it is.

And Larry Hill is right,the Mopars have never received any "gifts" in the cylinder head department.If Edelbrock, 440 Source,Indy etc ever produces a head with the stock valve size,then we will have finally got a present worth keeping.

Colin Wigle · 03-13-2009, 09:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Larry Hill

Dale good to know that you are alive and kicking.

Colin, I am like you; Im always enthusiastic to race a Ford. I dont beat them often, but still like to race them.

Ken Ken Ken you know one thing about me, I leave nothing in the trailer. What Parts????

Larry,

I am also enthusiastic to race a Dodge. lol

Ken Miele · 03-13-2009, 10:08 PM

Larry, your intake and the hood you used to run. I guess the mopar's guys will tell me that the aluminum intake was an option as well as a 340 six pack hood. I guess mopar ran out of intakes and hoods mid year. I have no problem what parts you can use. In fact your engine combo is a good one, but I do think you should be rated less. You have more cubes and more carbs, while I have more cam and higher compression. I'm willing to put my car at the same weight and run heads anytime you like.

Alan, you are so far off when it comes to Ford's involvement in racing. You maybe be an expert when it comes to GM, but you no nothing about how Ford operates. Yes selling cars is job one, but finding every niche market that works is a high priority and let me tell you they are here to stay.

In the glorified days of the sixties that all the old timers talk about, Ford did the exact same thing as did other manufactures. It was good for stock back then and its good for stock today. I just wish GM would do the same.

Alan Roehrich · 03-14-2009, 07:55 AM

Ken, with all due respect, corporate America is corporate America, they do whatever they can, and whatever they get away with. GM is no different than Ford, which is no different than Chrysler. The old days are gone, it is all about the dollar, and the bottom line. They are not there to save Stock, they are there to sell cars. So is Chrysler, and if GM shows up, they'll be no different. They'll do the same thing in Stock as they do in any other form of motorsports. The difference is,there are a lot of "little people" who will get trampled in the process. A lot more than in NASCAR, or any other "big league motorsports." Human nature is human nature, and where money is concerned, human nature in corporate America can be as low as it gets. It would be wonderful if they had altruistic notions and motives about riding in like the cavalry to save the day, but it just ain't so. They're there to make money, and the more of their money they spend to make money, the more they'll be willing to do anything to ensure their success.

Ken Miele · 03-14-2009, 09:58 AM

Alan, I respect your opinion, but I do not agree with it. If your read my post, I said its about selling cars. Its always about selling cars. But if racers can benefit, I think its good. You talk about the little guy, well I hate to tell you this but stock is not a cheap class to run especially in the upper classes. As I cruise the pits in Gainesville, the average racing operation is well over $100,000. There is lots of money out there in spite of the economy. Racing its not like the sixties were you took you new car, put slicks and headers and went to the track. Like it or not Alan, the little guy is going to have a tough time trying to race NHRA. There are some slow combos that probably can be run for under $50,000 for there whole operation, but that's not happing in the upper classes.

I have never fooled myself about corporate America, but I, unlike you, do let something I have no control over bring me down. Like Bob Frey once told me. If you can't control something why worry about it, if you can, then there is nothing to worry about.

Fight the good fight Alan according to what you believe, but I will make the best out of what has been offered to us. NHRA may not be perfect, but its the only game in town. I can not imagine how hard it is to run an organization of this size. We all beat them up, but until I walk in there shoes I really have no right to question there decision, only try to give them advice.

Earle Holt · 03-14-2009, 10:13 AM

Absolutely Ken. It's always been about selling cars..."win on Sunday, sell on Monday." I think Ford sees an opening right now when other car Co's are pulling back, Ford is stepping in to take market share and build a new following...good for them!

Futhermore, NHRA stock/superstock are still the best classes in drag racing...along with Comp eliminator.

Larry Hill · 03-14-2009, 10:45 AM

Ken That sounds like a FUN thing to do.

To make it interesting I will run my car off of the 6/29/72 engine blue print specs. and you need to run yours from the 6/26/74 specs.

This should limit the "enhancements" and allow us to have a lot of FUN!

Let me know what you think

Larry

Ken Miele · 03-14-2009, 11:26 AM

Larry, I don't want to give up my enhancements. You win this round. Its to much work to go back to those days.

Seriously Larry, I think your combo should have the same enhancements I have. I do not have a problem with any combo that can get the best parts. Its not right, but you could always build a Shelby and then we could have a good battle, you can even paint it pink.

Start working on NHRA for some aluminum heads, who knows they might be in the giving mode.

03-13-2009, 08:21 PM	#2
Larry Hill Live Reporter Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Hickory, Ky Posts: 10,646 Likes: 1,941 Liked 10,747 Times in 2,235 Posts	Re: My First Look at the CJ's Dale good to know that you are alive and kicking. Colin, I am like you; Im always enthusiastic to race a Ford. I dont beat them often, but still like to race them. Ken Ken Ken you know one thing about me, I leave nothing in the trailer. What Parts???? __________________ IHM Used Parts https://ihmusedparts.com 888-821-1817

03-13-2009, 09:04 PM	#3
Chris DeGidio Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 364 Likes: 8 Liked 2 Times in 2 Posts	Re: My First Look at the CJ's I looked at the same car today.It's pretty complete for a race car,and no doubt you can get the car and be competitive right away.It's put togther well,and you can tell a lot of thought went into it's construction.Comparing the Ford to the new Challenger Drag Pak,I can see which way Mopar decided to go with their war plan.I haven't seen a Drag Pak in person,just pictures,but when the Challengers are completed,they will competitive with the Fords.IMHO,the cost will be about the same,maybe a bit less with the Dodge.Ford did their homework with the Mustang to offer the car as complete as it is. And Larry Hill is right,the Mopars have never received any "gifts" in the cylinder head department.If Edelbrock, 440 Source,Indy etc ever produces a head with the stock valve size,then we will have finally got a present worth keeping. __________________ Nautilus Racing

03-13-2009, 10:08 PM	#5
Ken Miele Live Reporter Join Date: Dec 2000 Posts: 4,862 Likes: 461 Liked 16,562 Times in 1,523 Posts	Re: My First Look at the CJ's Larry, your intake and the hood you used to run. I guess the mopar's guys will tell me that the aluminum intake was an option as well as a 340 six pack hood. I guess mopar ran out of intakes and hoods mid year. I have no problem what parts you can use. In fact your engine combo is a good one, but I do think you should be rated less. You have more cubes and more carbs, while I have more cam and higher compression. I'm willing to put my car at the same weight and run heads anytime you like. Alan, you are so far off when it comes to Ford's involvement in racing. You maybe be an expert when it comes to GM, but you no nothing about how Ford operates. Yes selling cars is job one, but finding every niche market that works is a high priority and let me tell you they are here to stay. In the glorified days of the sixties that all the old timers talk about, Ford did the exact same thing as did other manufactures. It was good for stock back then and its good for stock today. I just wish GM would do the same.

03-14-2009, 07:55 AM	#6
Alan Roehrich Veteran Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Murfreesboro TN Posts: 5,118 Likes: 1,573 Liked 1,837 Times in 417 Posts	Re: My First Look at the CJ's Ken, with all due respect, corporate America is corporate America, they do whatever they can, and whatever they get away with. GM is no different than Ford, which is no different than Chrysler. The old days are gone, it is all about the dollar, and the bottom line. They are not there to save Stock, they are there to sell cars. So is Chrysler, and if GM shows up, they'll be no different. They'll do the same thing in Stock as they do in any other form of motorsports. The difference is,there are a lot of "little people" who will get trampled in the process. A lot more than in NASCAR, or any other "big league motorsports." Human nature is human nature, and where money is concerned, human nature in corporate America can be as low as it gets. It would be wonderful if they had altruistic notions and motives about riding in like the cavalry to save the day, but it just ain't so. They're there to make money, and the more of their money they spend to make money, the more they'll be willing to do anything to ensure their success. __________________ Alan Roehrich 212A G/S

03-14-2009, 09:58 AM	#7
Ken Miele Live Reporter Join Date: Dec 2000 Posts: 4,862 Likes: 461 Liked 16,562 Times in 1,523 Posts	Re: My First Look at the CJ's Alan, I respect your opinion, but I do not agree with it. If your read my post, I said its about selling cars. Its always about selling cars. But if racers can benefit, I think its good. You talk about the little guy, well I hate to tell you this but stock is not a cheap class to run especially in the upper classes. As I cruise the pits in Gainesville, the average racing operation is well over $100,000. There is lots of money out there in spite of the economy. Racing its not like the sixties were you took you new car, put slicks and headers and went to the track. Like it or not Alan, the little guy is going to have a tough time trying to race NHRA. There are some slow combos that probably can be run for under $50,000 for there whole operation, but that's not happing in the upper classes. I have never fooled myself about corporate America, but I, unlike you, do let something I have no control over bring me down. Like Bob Frey once told me. If you can't control something why worry about it, if you can, then there is nothing to worry about. Fight the good fight Alan according to what you believe, but I will make the best out of what has been offered to us. NHRA may not be perfect, but its the only game in town. I can not imagine how hard it is to run an organization of this size. We all beat them up, but until I walk in there shoes I really have no right to question there decision, only try to give them advice.

03-14-2009, 10:13 AM	#8
Earle Holt Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 194 Likes: 1 Liked 4 Times in 1 Post	Re: My First Look at the CJ's Absolutely Ken. It's always been about selling cars..."win on Sunday, sell on Monday." I think Ford sees an opening right now when other car Co's are pulling back, Ford is stepping in to take market share and build a new following...good for them! Futhermore, NHRA stock/superstock are still the best classes in drag racing...along with Comp eliminator. __________________ Earle Holt 1055 Stock

03-14-2009, 10:45 AM	#9
Larry Hill Live Reporter Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Hickory, Ky Posts: 10,646 Likes: 1,941 Liked 10,747 Times in 2,235 Posts	Re: My First Look at the CJ's Ken That sounds like a FUN thing to do. To make it interesting I will run my car off of the 6/29/72 engine blue print specs. and you need to run yours from the 6/26/74 specs. This should limit the "enhancements" and allow us to have a lot of FUN! Let me know what you think Larry __________________ IHM Used Parts https://ihmusedparts.com 888-821-1817

03-14-2009, 11:26 AM	#10
Ken Miele Live Reporter Join Date: Dec 2000 Posts: 4,862 Likes: 461 Liked 16,562 Times in 1,523 Posts	Re: My First Look at the CJ's Larry, I don't want to give up my enhancements. You win this round. Its to much work to go back to those days. Seriously Larry, I think your combo should have the same enhancements I have. I do not have a problem with any combo that can get the best parts. Its not right, but you could always build a Shelby and then we could have a good battle, you can even paint it pink. Start working on NHRA for some aluminum heads, who knows they might be in the giving mode.

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