Spy shots - Don Garlits Challenger

[treessavoy]

Originally Posted by Smitty

Ok, one car has yet to face an older one in the same class in competion yet and the other hasn't even seen the track and you guys are bitching. Damn, the fastest car doesn't always win. If stock eliminator consisted of all AA/SA(S) and A/SA(S) cars I might see the problem here but they don't so the guys will have to put a number on the window and run the dial in and hit the tree period!
Are you gonna bitch everytime someone brings a new combo to the table? Look over in SS, Bobby Dennis is the master of finding the odd ball GM engines and making them dominate. He is vey fast but against his index he's killer and a threat to qualify number one anywhere, yet he isn;t winning all the races. He did a real good job last year and thats because he works hard at it.
I really need to know what's the big deal? Chrysler built the Hemi back in the 60's as a purpose built SS car and you couldn't drive it on the street. There were to versions, the street and race just like Ford.
Quit your whining and race, it's not the end of the world.

Excuse me but the 1964 and 1965 Hemi cars were built with complete street equipment and could and were street driven, the 1964 427 fairlanes were the same. The 1968 Hemi cars were NOT streetable and thus went into SS, not Stock.

[bill dedman]

Treesavoy said, "1964 and 1965 Hemi cars were built with complete street equipment and could and were street driven, the 1964 427 fairlanes were the same. "

That may well be true, but pehaps for power-to-weight factors, I don't think any of those cars mentioned ever were classified as Stock Eliminator cars.

They were always Super Stockers.

If I'm wrong about that please cite some examples.

Now, somebody has convinced NHRA to allow Thunderbolts into Stock Eliminator, an anomaly, in my opinion. If they're going to allow them, then what's next; swiss-cheese Catalinas and 421 SD '63 Tempests, along with the '64-up, lightweight Dodges and Plymouths with the cross-ram 426 competition hemis?

I'll admit, that would give the new CJ's something gnarly to chew on.... LOL!

[X-TECH MAN]

Originally Posted by bill dedman

Treesavoy said, "1964 and 1965 Hemi cars were built with complete street equipment and could and were street driven, the 1964 427 fairlanes were the same. "

That may well be true, but pehaps for power-to-weight factors, I don't think any of those cars mentioned ever were classified as Stock Eliminator cars.

They were always Super Stockers.

If I'm wrong about that please cite some examples.

Now, somebody has convinced NHRA to allow Thunderbolts into Stock Eliminator, an anomaly, in my opinion. If they're going to allow them, then what's next; swiss-cheese Catalinas and 421 SD '63 Tempests, along with the '64-up, lightweight Dodges and Plymouths with the cross-ram 426 competition hemis?

I'll admit, that would give the new CJ's something gnarly to chew on.... LOL!

IHRA allows them at thier AA/S and AA/SA 7.00 lbs per HP weight break except for the swiss cheese Cats and the 421 Tempests (NOT ENOUGH PRODUCED). Dan Davorak was putting a 64 X ram Hemi together before he had his medical problems a while back.

[Bob Pagano]

DVORAK has finished that car before that and is now updating it for todays standards, I have seen pictures and it is real sharp !

[X-TECH MAN]

Bob....Did he ever sell his red 63 Max Wedge ?

[Bob Pagano]

Not that I am aware of, he said why run the wedge in AA when he could run the hemi ! The 63 is worth big money with the Alum nose.

[Jeff Lee]

1962-1964 Dodge / Plymouth Max-Wedge cars:
Factory built race cars
No warranty
Immediately in Stock Eliminator class.

Can't believe I didn't bring that up a month ago...

[treessavoy]

Originally Posted by X-TECH MAN

Bob....Did he ever sell his red 63 Max Wedge ?

No, he still has it but is thinking of putting it in Garlits museum .

I just traded him a '63 Dodge wagon that he is going to restore as his first max wedge race car.

[rx dealer]

If you look very close to the Challenger you cannot drive it the way it is from the factory unlike the max wedge/hemi cars. the challenger does not have a rear end or rear brakes, it only has a cradle for an independent rear suspention from a mercedes E class without the center section and drive shafts so it can roll. I did not see a wiring harness. It had an interior with Viper seats ,dash ,gauges and even power windows and comes with 4 steel wheels and SNOW tires. It has mark williams front brakes and a transmission ( not drivable ) just so the engine can sit in place. Al you had to do with the old Hemi/Wedge cars is to put slicks and race. By the way I think the Cobra Jet was a much better deal. It's a ready race car...Luke

[X-TECH MAN]

[QUOTE=rx dealer:: By the way I think the Cobra Jet was a much better deal. It's a ready race car...Luke[/QUOTE]

By the times they are turning with stock lift cams, 9 inch tires and very little prep they would make great SS/D cars !!!!!! Just need a complete roll cage. Easy mid to low 9's without all the expensive head work. The larger 14 X 32 tires would help with the nose heavy problem also. What do you think ?