We need a new "instant" trigger!

[Mike Carr]

-1.40 for the automatic hit *may* be OK, I don't know. If you were to lower it to, say, -1.25, and they ran Class at a race with really good air, there could be many combinations receive HP on Monday...some of which that really didn't deserve it. Or, I should say, were not severely underfactored. So you would have those racers complaining. If you leave it at -1.40, then it could take a while for a soft combination to get hit enough to be in line with the others in his/her class, unless the driver messes up. I think you wrote in another thread that Bob Shaw would need to get hit three or four more times to really make it fair on the rest. Some would say that would take too long. So no matter what the trigger, many racers will not be happy. I guess if it were up to me, I wouldn't change it too much. Maybe -1.30?

[Billy Nees]

Mike, maybe I didn't make myself clear. I'm OK with the -1.40 number I just don't think that the 3.25% number is enough. What I'm looking for is something like 7% or even more.

[Mark Yacavone]

Billy, if a certain killer car starts out at about 400# heavy, even 7% is not going to do the job.

[Ed Fernandez]

Originally Posted by Mark Yacavone

Billy, if a certain killer car starts out at about 400# heavy, even 7% is not going to do the job.

Isn't that where the scales come in?The guys that run their cars 3-400# heavy aren't looking to get air under the car.BTW I never run my car more than 40# over.The whole rules system regarding the AHFS needs an overhaul,no matter who's feelings get hurt.If mine do in the process I think I can get over it.

Ed F.

[Billy Nees]

Ed, weren't we told a story in Fla. about a certain D2 racer who was told by a certain smily faced D2 employee that he had to remove weight from his car before his next qualifying run?

[Billy Nees]

Jack, I've always considered you a mentor and a friend and you can always count on two things from me, we can always agree to disagree and I will never feel sorry for you.

[Ed Fernandez]

Originally Posted by Billy Nees

Ed, weren't we told a story in Fla. about a certain D2 racer who was told by a certain smily faced D2 employee that he had to remove weight from his car before his next qualifying run?

Correct Billy,but I bet that's the exception not the rule.

Ed

[Michael Beard]

Originally Posted by Ed Fernandez

Isn't that where the scales come in?The guys that run their cars 3-400# heavy aren't looking to get air under the car.

Seems pretty simple to me.... weight stickers should note the class minimum AND the class MAXIMUM (ie., min weight for the next heavier class.) If your car weighs enough for the next heavier class, you should have to run it in that class.

Next problem...?

[Mark Yacavone]

Originally Posted by Michael Beard

Seems pretty simple to me.... weight stickers should note the class minimum AND the class MAXIMUM (ie., min weight for the next heavier class.) If your car weighs enough for the next heavier class, you should have to run it in that class.

Next problem...?

Y'all are missing the point. Bob Shaw built that car, knowing it was going to be real heavy for "U". He can't run V anyway.It's a V8 .
I'm sure he doesn't have a weight box either. What do you want to tell him? He can't race?
If the car is 400 heavy with no ballast , the hp % is irrelevant, or atleast off the charts.

[Blingmaster]

Guys It is quite simple do your homework like Bob has done follow through with an untried combo willing to take the disappointment if it doesn't go 2 seconds under and race. I made the statement at Gainesville divisional race I believed I saw more 69 camaros running in stock than GM produced in 1969. Neil Smedley and myself talked about that Shaw combo before Shaw brought it out. There are a couple more combo's out there better than the caddy. Just do not feel like building one....Realize that if Bob had to run off current national record he would only be 7tenths under...7tenths under current index would not get you into Indy.....