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[bill dedman]

>>>"I have no problem with the system now.If I go red shame on me."

Don't you think your opponent should have the right to earn that shame, too?
If you red light first, you have taken that right away from him.

Is that a fair system?

I don't think so...

[Ed Fernandez]

Originally Posted by bill dedman

>>>"I have no problem with the system now.If I go red shame on me."

Don't you think your opponent should have the right to earn that shame, too?
If you red light first, you have taken that right away from him.

Is that a fair system?

I don't think so...

If I'm green then it's his turn.Nobody has the right to go read,just the chance.And if you think anything in real life is fair invite me to the planet you live on.My car can have real wild performance swings in varying weather conditions.Not fair compared to a big block with a lot of compression and a big carb.But I picked the combo and do the best I can with it.Maybe if more people just tried to figure out their combos there would be a lot less tension on this site.
Just get the AHFS squared away and let's race and eat well at the nightly get togethers.

Ed F.

[bill dedman]

Ed,

Life is not fair because we can't change everything to make it fair; I have never had quick reactions, but some people do; I could say, "that's not fair".... but there's nothing that can be done about it.

In order to make things as fair as we CAN, the things that CAN be changed to make it fair should be changed. If not, why have any rules at all?

This can be changed; my slow reaction time and your low-hp car that becomes inconsistent with weather changes, cannot.

You have to separate the "cans" from the "cannots".... and, go from there.

This one is a "can."

[Ed Fernandez]

Originally Posted by bill dedman

Ed,

Life is not fair because we can't change everything to make it fair; I have nver had quick reactions, but some people do; I could say, "that's not fair".... but there's nothing that can be done about it.

In order to make things as fair as we CAN, the things that CAN be changed to make it fair should be changed. If not, why have any rules at all?

This can be changed; my slow reaction time and your low-hp car that becomes inconsistent with weather changes, cannot.

You have to separate the "can's" from the "cannots".... and, go from there.

This one is a "can."

Bill actually it's a WHY?It has worked well since 1963.
I suck at doing things on the computer.Maybe someone can start a drivers poll with the question "Should the red light rule be changed".Drivers only,we're most affected by it.Sorry Bill,unless you want to fork over #50 to our friends in Glendora.LOL.

Ed

[bill dedman]

"It has worked well since 1963"

It has?
On what level?

In actuality is has screwed every first-to-leave driver who ever red-lighted since 1963 because his competitor was given the gift of not have to operate under the possible jeopardy of a red light, once the first guy messed up. Why should anyone be awarded this "gift"?

Two different set of conditions for two otherwise equal competitors; you left first and redlighted so I won't have to worry about it, since I'm driving the last car to leave. Lucky me....

You call that "working"???

It's no longer NECESSARY to have two sets of conditions; they can be EQUAL.

Don't you think they should be EQUAL, Ed?

They're not.

You ask "WHY?" (Why should this be changed?)

Because it's the logical thing to do if you want to keep the chances of winning as equal as possible for EVERYONE.

This is not just about slow cars; if an A/SA car runs a B/SA car, they're both high hp cars and both fast, but in all likelihood, the B/SA car will leave first, and if he red lights, he just gave the A/SA car a free ride to the winners circle, and the A/SA didn''t have to do a THING to earn it.

Let's make him earn it; he never had his chance to red light.... and, by all rights, he should have to, just like the guy in the other lane.

It doesn't get any simpler than that.

[GarysZ24]

Originally Posted by bill dedman

>>>"I have no problem with the system now.If I go red shame on me."

Don't you think your opponent should have the right to earn that shame, too?
If you red light first, you have taken that right away from him.

Is that a fair system?

I don't think so...

I'm with you on this one too Bill....both racers should have to have the same focus regardless of which one leaves first...I wish the tree could be set-up so that the first racers green/red light wouldn't show, until after the second car left...if both cars had green lights then they'd both come on after the second car left the line. However (like you also said in post #26), the car with the worse red-light infraction would have the red-eye on that driver, and the lesser of the two would get the green & the win light...that's leveling the playing field. Furthermore I bet if that would happen, there would possibly be less of a massive desire to build the fastest class car, because being the second one to leave the line wouldn't matter as much...what do you think Bill???

[bill dedman]

What do I think?

I think you somehow missed my response to my friend S.E. Buchanan which said, in part,
"S.E., neither driver will see a red light until after BOTH CARS have left the line.

A red light will mean "you lose," and the computer won't know who has "lost" until it compares both lights. It has no way to know whether the second car to leave will have had a worse red light than the first (and thereby become the loser) until he leaves the line, so there's NO WAY this system will affect the concentration of the faster car's driver. He will always assume the other car had a green light until he's left the line and sees a red, if there IS one.

He will see what he's always seen when the first car to leave had a good green light. NO additional distraction...."

That is the way I've been told the software works.

Nothing else would be acceptable; you absolutely CANNOT have a red light coming on and distracting a driver who hasn't left, yet! Nobody should EVER have to put up with that!!!

Thanks for your thoughts, Gary.

Bill

[treessavoy]

Unscrew the red lights, disable the down-link to the scoreboard, and let them find out at the time booth who broke-out the most and was the winner, then the announcer can tell the crowd.

The second guy to leave deserves the "right" to lose by a worse red light.

[GarysZ24]

Originally Posted by bill dedman

What do I think?

I think you somehow missed my response to my friend S.E. Buchanan which said, in part,
"S.E., neither driver will see a red light until after BOTH CARS have left the line.

A red light will mean "you lose," and the computer won't know who has "lost" until it compares both lights. It has no way to know whether the second car to leave will have had a worse red light than the first (and thereby become the loser) until he leaves the line, so there's NO WAY this system will affect the concentration of the faster car's driver. He will always assume the other car had a green light until he's left the line and sees a red, if there IS one.

He will see what he's always seen when the first car to leave had a good green light. NO additional distraction...."

That is the way I've been told the software works.

Nothing else would be acceptable; you absolutely CANNOT have a red light coming on and distracting a driver who hasn't left, yet! Nobody should EVER have to put up with that!!!

Thanks for your thoughts, Gary.

Bill

Yeah Bill, I noticed that after I posted my (your thoughts, in my) comments....I'm glad we agree on this one, and I hope that the Stock/Super Stock rep will present this thought to the next meeting they have because I think (like you), that it should be the same as a breakout run between the faster/slower vehicles.

[bill dedman]

Ed said: "Bill,maybe I'm crazy but I see no reason to make things anymore complicated than they already are."

I agree; they're plenty complicated, now.

Having said that I must ask, in what way would this complicate ANYTHING insofar as what the driving experience is?

What would you do differently? What would a AA car do differently???

Tell me; I may be missing something here...

If racing, using this system is going to be more complicated, I'd like to know what about it complicates ANYTHING??????

I'm serious. Explain the "complication" to me, please.

Thanks for hanging in there and reading all that crap I wrote.... but, if you think that racing under this system is going to be ONE IOTA more complicated than what we have now, then ~I~ don't understand it, myself.... 'cause I sure can't see it.

What it be?????????

Bill