The Keir Stocker is absolutely 1st rate craftsmanship - but is it legal?

[bob stampfli]

Is it legal ????

"Outside the box" - how bout - "Outside the rules book."
No body can question the workmanship of this car but what about the legality. This car has not been tech-ed properly. Has NHRA determined this car to be legal? If so, can all cars be built to these specs and standards? Here are some obvious points.
1. Motor Plate
2. Motor / Mounts moved back
3. Radiator core support cut to allow front end removal
4. No stock wiring
5. No heater controls
6. Frame connected above the floor
7. Incorrect seats
8. Incorrect steering column
9. A-Frame adjustable stops

Beautiful Car - just not a what NHRA should consider a Stocker.

[hadtobethere]

Originally Posted by bob stampfli

Is it legal ????

"Outside the box" - how bout - "Outside the rules book."
No body can question the workmanship of this car but what about the legality. This car has not been tech-ed properly. Has NHRA determined this car to be legal? If so, can all cars be built to these specs and standards? Here are some obvious points.
1. Motor Plate
2. Motor / Mounts moved back
3. Radiator core support cut to allow front end removal
4. No stock wiring
5. No heater controls
6. Frame connected above the floor
7. Incorrect seats
8. Incorrect steering column
9. A-Frame adjustable stops

Beautiful Car - just not a what NHRA should consider a Stocker.

My guess would be..
1. No
2. No
3. No
4. ok
5. ok
6. ok
7. depends
8. depends
9. ok
10. oh, but

[Dave Ficacci]

Originally Posted by bob stampfli

Is it legal ????

"Outside the box" - how bout - "Outside the rules book."
No body can question the workmanship of this car but what about the legality. This car has not been tech-ed properly. Has NHRA determined this car to be legal? If so, can all cars be built to these specs and standards? Here are some obvious points.

1. Motor Plate

Beautiful Car - just not a what NHRA should consider a Stocker.

It's not a motor plate if it only attaches to the frame on one side.. which it does.

[James Perrone]

Bob
Do you have a car?
Are you a D-1 Tech Person?

[keith ohanesian]

Gee I thought I was having a bad day!

[RJ Sledge]

After looking at the pic that was posted I would have to say that it really looks like a very nice car. Without seeing it in person, who could tell if its a Legal piece or not.

Lets face it, if any car looks that nice, I doubt that any IHRA Tech person would say anything regardless of what it had or didn't have on it. They really don't look for Legallity, just Safety stuff. NHRA is better in this department as far as I am concerned, but they do have oversites.

Legallity is the question and like the man said, "there isn't any such thing as being a little bit pregant, either you are or you aren't".

Would like to see what Travis or Wesley would say.

RJ Sledge

[herbjr]

This is where I have a problem with racers. Go to the next race with money in hand and protest dont go stomping on the keyboard and venting your problems. If the origional poster does have a car, and is at the next race I hope someone protest to see a piston and rod. Be a man and deal with it in person but you must not know the rules on certain items before you flame away on someones car. I for one posted back in April about the frame connector coming through the floor. Only about 1/2 the stockers have them. Stock was gone along time ago, live with it.

Who is bob stampfli I dont know anything about this stocker or the kid who was driving it. So I dont have a side to take here, just the keyboard racer who shouldnt.

So Bob WHO ARE YOU?
Herb Jr

[Bub Whitaker]

So Bob WHO ARE YOU?
Herb Jr[/QUOTE]

Well BOB...I'm with Herb... you've been called out... BUB

[jimi]

what car how about a picture

Originally Posted by bob stampfli

Is it legal ????

"Outside the box" - how bout - "Outside the rules book."
No body can question the workmanship of this car but what about the legality. This car has not been tech-ed properly. Has NHRA determined this car to be legal? If so, can all cars be built to these specs and standards? Here are some obvious points.
1. Motor Plate
2. Motor / Mounts moved back
3. Radiator core support cut to allow front end removal
4. No stock wiring
5. No heater controls
6. Frame connected above the floor
7. Incorrect seats
8. Incorrect steering column
9. A-Frame adjustable stops

Beautiful Car - just not a what NHRA should consider a Stocker.

[Gary Smith]

1. Motor Plate Is it a genuine plate or just a large bracket?
2. Motor / Mounts moved back How was this determined? Did tech measure it?
3. Radiator core support cut to allow front end removal How about NHRA ruling x-member mod for pan removal? That opens up a bigger can of worms. If the mod has no weight distribution or performance gain and is disguised, it's a moot point
4. No stock wiring Show me one that does
5. No heater controls My console and HVAC controls have been removed for trans maintenance and has passed NHRA tech
6. Frame connected above the floor Again, is it blatant or disguised?
7. Incorrect seats If true I agree. Not in the spirit of the category
8. Incorrect steering column Again, I might agree, except was it fab'd or from another body type?
9. A-Frame adjustable stops Now this I can see bitching and protesting, unless he ain't setting the world on fire.

I'm being more curious than pretentious. If visible mods are clearly stated as "prohibited" in the rule book it's a sure bet it won't pass. But Like Herb says, the "stock" in these cars went out a long time ago. I'll tell you there's at least 60 things about my car that aren't "stock" but it's all legal. Class car prep is, at best, like being an illusionist. My guess is you're a stock racer, and assume you already know and understand my reasoning. If not, you miss the whole idea behind class racing.