AA/SA @ Norwalk OH

[George Fitzpatrick]

Originally Posted by Evan Smith

Randall and George,

As a SRAC member, I spoke with NHRA (over a year ago) about the factor on the Hemi, and at one point was told that it was going to get a reduction after a two-year period—it never happened. I tried to fight the good fight, but didn't win.

It was also unfair that the 440x6 in the B-Body got hit to the moon, when the A-body with a similar chassis got nothing (had the A-Body been included it could have brought the entire average down). Moreover, NHRA hit the 350 Chevy based on runs make by a Camaro and a Corvette? There is clearly little logic applied at times, and this was brought to the attention of high-ranking NHRA officials, albeit with zero response.

I am certainly not one to bash NHRA because I feel that most of the guys sportsman racers deal with are good people, but it's amazing to me that we could make a few simple changes to "enhance" the sport, yet no one wants to act and make such improvements.

Evan

Thank you Evan, I know you have tried. It is what it is. Hey I can still run the four speed. I know you would like that.

[Frank Bialas]

Originally Posted by Evan Smith

It was also unfair that the 440x6 in the B-Body got hit to the moon, when the A-body with a similar chassis got nothing (had the A-Body been included it could have brought the entire average down). Moreover, NHRA hit the 350 Chevy based on runs make by a Camaro and a Corvette? There is clearly little logic applied at times, and this was brought to the attention of high-ranking NHRA officials, albeit with zero response.

I am certainly not one to bash NHRA because I feel that most of the guys sportsman racers deal with are good people, but it's amazing to me that we could make a few simple changes to "enhance" the sport, yet no one wants to act and make such improvements.

Evan

Hey Evan, I think you are adjusting quite well to that Florida climate, but your comparison of the 6pak in the B-body & A-body is a typo! The B & E bodies are very similar and you are right about the average, and it's only 12 hp, maybe roughly 120 lbs, solid tenth!!!

[Evan Smith]

Yes Frank, I meant E body, which is Cuda/Challenger.

Larry, did you ever play ABA Basketball?

Evan

[Jeff Teuton]

The Nascar intake was a large cross ram and the carb (including the 3 bbl) sat in a 'bathtub' in the middle. We raced one in a mud racing truck in the 80's. If the combo was 430 with that manifold, it would be ok. That thing they make you use was not even made till about 10 or 15 years later. And as for the scoops that came in some of the cars, anything was possible then. How about a blue car with a red interior? The last 69 cop car we sold was that. Or a 69 Coronet R/T Pale yellow, green interior, and a bright red stripe. We had that too. How about a street hemi manifold with inline AFB's that was sunk in the middle like the Titanic. Still got that one. And there are some of the original Nascar manifolds around, just a little hard to find. Anybody need any 'still in the box' 64 Nascar rods. If you ever observe some of the die cast Hemi motors, some of them have a very close model of the single 4bbl manifold on them.

[David Barton]

Jeff, what about the mag intake I have? You're saying they didn't come out until 1975-1980?

People may have run the bathtub intakes in NASCAR but that is not what they had from the factory. Same with the 3 bbl carb.

[Jeff Teuton]

The papers I have from the AMA (American Manufacturers Association) dated July l964 revised Oct 64 for the 64/65 models clearly spells out the the 3bbl. The manifold I am talking about was very large and covered more of the motor than the 2/4bbl cross ram did. I didn't remember it being magnesium, I thought it was aluminum. I think I know where a couple of them might be. These papers have been sent to NHRA on several occasions over the years. I don't remember another single 4 bbl manifold, but what is the one you have? The crate hemi manifold (dual plane) is one of them. The carbs listed then were the 2973 (1 3/4),2814 (1 11/16) and 3085 (1 3/4 oblong rear). The 4781 is the current double pumper with choke and I guess was allowed along the way. I have had these papers at least 30 years and maybe more. The cam was .540 and dual springs.

[treessavoy]

Originally Posted by Jeff Teuton

The Nascar intake was a large cross ram and the carb (including the 3 bbl) sat in a 'bathtub' in the middle. We raced one in a mud racing truck in the 80's. If the combo was 430 with that manifold, it would be ok. That thing they make you use was not even made till about 10 or 15 years later. And as for the scoops that came in some of the cars, anything was possible then. How about a blue car with a red interior? The last 69 cop car we sold was that. Or a 69 Coronet R/T Pale yellow, green interior, and a bright red stripe. We had that too. How about a street hemi manifold with inline AFB's that was sunk in the middle like the Titanic. Still got that one. And there are some of the original Nascar manifolds around, just a little hard to find. Anybody need any 'still in the box' 64 Nascar rods. If you ever observe some of the die cast Hemi motors, some of them have a very close model of the single 4bbl manifold on them.

Jeff,

If I remember correctly the "bath tub" manifold was designed with a narrow high RPM range. I know we used to run a NASCAR max wedge manifold on our non-race track max and it didn't have any low end at all but started to sing around 5500.....we just told everybody that it was a 383 with a cam!

Here's a question......why can '63 Max Wedge cars run aluminum front ends but the '64 cars can't?

Jim R

[Bob Pagano]

Jim its listed on the 64 spec sheet, 425hp A * stock 7.52 Alum 64

[Bobby DiDomenico]

Originally Posted by Jeff Teuton

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Jeff,

When I was a kid the Chryler/Plymouth dealer near us had a beautiful (metallic?) blue AAR 340 Six Pack 'Cuda. And parked next to it was a horrible tan/mustard (?) Superbird with brown bench seat interior and automatic on the column. The Superbird sat on the lot for over a year. I can't imagine how anyone ever let that car get assembled without the customer paying cash in advance.

Someone finally bought it 'cause it used to be parked in a company lot everyday. Of course that was back when parking spots and garages were designed for American cars, not Hondas. :-)

[treessavoy]

Originally Posted by X-TECH MAN

I had a semi factory deal (had to buy the car but everything else was free) in 1971 along with Gene Collins on a Dodge Challenger and it came with a 383 and a shaker hood like Dave Boertmans Rod Shop car. The word as I heard it later that year is the shaker hoods became hard to get and several Challengers came thru with the T/A hood. Never saw one until many years later though. I never heard anything on the 'Cudas with the AAR hood. Its no different than the .527 cam on the 428 CJ's or anything else that is allowed these days. NHRA allowed the hoods years ago so they are allowed to run them. Not much different than Edelbrock heads on 396 Camaros and 390/428/427 Fords. Not to mention the NASCAR Hemi. Its not what is stock....its what is allowed these days is all that counts. The single 4 Hemi had a low rise bath tub shaped intake manifold with a 3 barrel carb (remember those?). I have the numbers at home but good luck in ever finding the correct pieces. .

The precident was set a long time ago for the T/A hood on the hemi challenger....see page 742 on the TVD thread, it shows a hemi challenger racing in the days of super tricks with a T/A hood.

If Fords can run alum. heads on cars that never had alum then why can't I run alum Indy heads on my Max Wedge? If I change it over to SS can I run the indy's and their new inline rat roaster style intake on the Max, they look very much like SS/AH manifolds?

Jim R