Late model muscle car's

[Ed Wright]

The car companies can talk about close production tolerances all the want, the the power out puts are all over the place. I have dyno tested bone stock LS1 GM cars from 275 rwhp to 349. LT1 cars from 225 rwhp to 302. Have seen virgin A4 LS1 cars run everything from 14.20s to 12.80s here at Tulsa. One freak bone stock manual trans 2000 Camaro SS (except the PCM tuning) makes 349 rwhp and runs 12.30s. I have a customer in Houston that ran 11.55 with his A4 2002 TA, never had a valve cover off. But, some won't even go 13s. I don't doubt Ford and MOPAR are the same way.

[X-TECH MAN]

How many have had to work on this late model "FOOL REJECTED" computerized trash? I cant even SEE the spark plugs on the passenger side of my '91 Corvette much less change them without cutting the fender and A/C box off with a chain saw first. Give me an early model carb/non-computer car anyday. I used to race a '69 Corvette and at least I could work on it without an electronics degree. No wonder Detriot is bankrupt.

[Ed Wright]

Originally Posted by X-TECH MAN

How many have had to work on this late model "FOOL REJECTED" computerized trash? I cant even SEE the spark plugs on the passenger side of my '91 Corvette much less change them without cutting the fender and A/C box off with a chain saw first. Give me an early model carb/non-computer car anyday. I used to race a '69 Corvette and at least I could work on it without an electronics degree. No wonder Detriot is bankrupt.

I do. All day, every day. They are faster (not your '91 Vette, but the newer stuff), cleaner and use less fuel to do it.

[X-TECH MAN]

Originally Posted by Ed Wright

I do. All day, every day. They are faster (not your '91 Vette, but the newer stuff), cleaner and use less fuel to do it.

I feel sorry for you for having to work on this stuff all day........my 91 Vette Convert. isnt the fastest but 13.90's 14.0's at 99 MPH (stab and steer) is OK. Its an all stock 20,000 mile L98 with a 2.59 rear gear, 700-R4 Trans except for a Hyper chip. 27 MPG on a trip.....24 MPG running around. Its no LS-1 but its OK.

[bigshow2966]

The new stuff is not any harder to work on than the crap they turned out in the late '70's-early '80-s. Anyone ever change plugs in a V-8 Monza?

[Alan Roehrich]

Originally Posted by bigshow2966

The new stuff is not any harder to work on than the crap they turned out in the late '70's-early '80-s. Anyone ever change plugs in a V-8 Monza?

Yes. Yes I have. And it wasn't nearly so bad as changing the plugs in my 98 Firebird 3800 Series II V6. Or a 78 400 Pontiac powered TA. Or a late model (90 and up or so) Cadillac transverse mounted V8 FWD (back 4 plugs). Or a 68 Cougar or Mustang 428.

[X-TECH MAN]

Originally Posted by Alan Roehrich

Yes. Yes I have. And it wasn't nearly so bad as changing the plugs in my 98 Firebird 3800 Series II V6. Or a 78 400 Pontiac powered TA. Or a late model (90 and up or so) Cadillac transverse mounted V8 FWD (back 4 plugs). Or a 68 Cougar or Mustang 428.

Thats why I like a 1962 or 63 409 SS.....LOL

[Steve Williams]

There we go bangin on Detroit like it is the fault of the automakers that a-holes like the commander in chief want 300 mpg next year or else. Why do you think our current domestic automobiles are a complete mess to work on. Because theres so much stuff jammed into them for the emissions and fuel economy not to mention the can't do without items as power mirrors, GPS and other options that generally suck. Ever wonder how a vehicle with plastic fenders, hoods and door skins could weigh 3700-3900 lbs? The whole thought process is *** backwards. Mr. Wright-you bring up a valid point about the inconsistencies of same vehicle output-always baffled me how that happens.

Steve

Just remember that alot of our politicians drive foreign cars. Is that sending us message or what!

[TOSTO RACING]

I have had several new ls1 camaro's bone stock down to the paper filter run 12.90's at 110, 6speed cars. A simple gear change and sticky tires we've gone 12.30's at 110. The ls1 to me is an incredible engine and it flies. The new mustang and challenger are very impressive as well. The new camaro seems like it is going to be very quick too. I can't wait to see a new camaro stocker!

[Daniel Ashlock]

Originally Posted by TOSTO RACING

I have had several new ls1 camaro's bone stock down to the paper filter run 12.90's at 110, 6speed cars. A simple gear change and sticky tires we've gone 12.30's at 110. The ls1 to me is an incredible engine and it flies. The new mustang and challenger are very impressive as well. The new camaro seems like it is going to be very quick too. I can't wait to see a new camaro stocker!

as much as i may like gm ( i was raised to think that nothing else existed or was worth messing with.. i have since learned the errors of my ways).. the new camaros are an awesome performance package but i predict that it will suffer the same fate as the last incarnation of the GTO .. thats just my opinon though.. its sad to see gm in the shape they're in ... i wonder how long before somebody starts calling my rambler a fiat....