New hp revisions?

Originally Posted by bsa633

As stated before..we cant just keep adding hp to all.....LOWER THE INDEXES..then the one's that need HP will get it...

If you lower the index/trigger and the fast guys get hit that gives that combo hp correct? so everyone who has that combo has to add weight so it still keeps everyone seperated by the same amount. So if I have a B/SA Shelby and it is only .3 tenths under and Bill Hawk is running his normal 1.00-1.20 under and he gets hit because the indexes are lowered or the trigger is lowered it affects both of us. I don't see what you can do to change anything because it's still going to affect everyone who has that same combo. Someone please tell me what I am missing here.

[X-TECH MAN]

Originally Posted by Terrance Smith

If you lower the index/trigger and the fast guys get hit that gives that combo hp correct? so everyone who has that combo has to add weight so it still keeps everyone seperated by the same amount. So if I have a B/SA Shelby and it is only .3 tenths under and Bill Hawk is running his normal 1.00-1.20 under and he gets hit because the indexes are lowered or the trigger is lowered it affects both of us. I don't see what you can do to change anything because it's still going to affect everyone who has that same combo. Someone please tell me what I am missing here.

I think if you have a 67 Shelby that only runs .3 under then you must have left a few plug wires off OR #1 you truly are legal as in OEM stock...#2 your living in a fairy tell land in believing everyone who is running fast or torn down is really legal.....#3 you cant drive the damn thing or its broken. Im NOT saying anyone like Bill is illegal as I know him personally but the car IS a maximum effort (and a nice one) plus it is like some say.... a "Paper" car but its still deemed a legal combination by NHRA and thats all that matters here. If one can run fast then so can any others that are in the same combo IF the effort, work, desire, expertise, and money are applied to it. Just having soft indexes to run off of means nothing and makes stock eliminator more like bracket racing. If everyone could do it we all would be world champions.

[Bob Bender]

What this means is the slow will go slower and the fast will still be fast !!!!!

[X-TECH MAN]

Originally Posted by Bob Bender

What this means is the slow will go slower and the fast will still be fast !!!!!

Its either spend the $$$$ to do what everyone else is doing.......work on it if you can do your own work.....race a combo that has a resonable HP raiting not one that you just like.......get NHRA to refactor your combo (not one everyone else is running) down so you can slide into a lower class.......really cheat.....bracket race (its what you do anyway 99% of the time)....or watch TV. There are no "GIMMIES" in the real world. The guys who are fast today will still be the ones who are fast tomorrow......learn what to do and still pass tech.......dont live in a fairy tell land and make it your passion to become a bad ***.......if you cant afford to run with the big dogs then your not going to qualify for INDY anyway even if the indexes are softer. 128 car fields are it in NHRA. I guess Im up to 5 cents worth of BS by now.

[Tom Moock]

X-TECH MAN what car, class do you race? Have you every raced in the midwest in the middle of summer 100 deg. and 80% hum.; -.75 the index and half the car`s wouldn`t show up to race. Tom

[Chad Rhodes]

Originally Posted by Tom Moock

X-TECH MAN what car, class do you race? Have you every raced in the midwest in the middle of summer 100 deg. and 80% hum.; -.75 the index and half the car`s wouldn`t show up to race. Tom

midwest hell, try houston this weekend. DA above 4000 most likely, and the real altitude is like 25 feet

[X-TECH MAN]

Originally Posted by Tom Moock

X-TECH MAN what car, class do you race? Have you every raced in the midwest in the middle of summer 100 deg. and 80% hum.; -.75 the index and half the car`s wouldn`t show up to race. Tom

I have raced a 1965 426 street wedge Plymouth in stock, 1969 Corvette stock eliminator and S/S, a 1971 Dodge Challenger with a 383 stock elim, then in S/S, A 1968 E/S Z-28 then converted it to a S/SIA Camaro 350/PG, although in the 60,s and thru the 70,s some in the 80,s and yes the temp and humidity gets bad in Maryland, Va.,Gainsville Fla, Bolling Green Ky, Penn, Ohio, N.Carolina, S.Carolina, Tenn. New York, and Canada also. Whats your point?

[X-TECH MAN]

P.S. I almost forgot my 66 Corvette in E/SP (remember that class?) but it was not a dedicated serious effort. I was still "trapped" in Uncle Sams grips while stationed in Ft. Knox Ky so I have raced at Ohio Valley and Hardinsburg U.S. 60, an outlaw track in Louisville (forgot the name), and Lexington dragway also in Ky.

Originally Posted by X-TECH MAN

I think if you have a 67 Shelby that only runs .3 under then you must have left a few plug wires off OR #1 you truly are legal as in OEM stock...#2 your living in a fairy tell land in believing everyone who is running fast or torn down is really legal.....#3 you cant drive the damn thing or its broken. Im NOT saying anyone like Bill is illegal as I know him personally but the car IS a maximum effort (and a nice one) plus it is like some say.... a "Paper" car but its still deemed a legal combination by NHRA and thats all that matters here. If one can run fast then so can any others that are in the same combo IF the effort, work, desire, expertise, and money are applied to it. Just having soft indexes to run off of means nothing and makes stock eliminator more like bracket racing. If everyone could do it we all would be world champions.

X-techman, go back and read what I said, I am not complaining about anyone's car or combo. I own a car and yeah it's was dream to own a class and it can run under theindex, not far but under. If I had to run the baddest man in the land it wouldn't concern me and I wouldn't complain because I know what I spent and I can gaurantee that other car has more money in their stuff than me. I think alot of these questions about hp revisions are based on the performance of certain vehicles. Right now everyone has issues with '08 Cobra Jet because of the percieved soft HP factor given by NHRA. Has the car hit the trigger? has it won every race enetered? yet alot folks don't like it's percieved advantage. Are the guys complaining about that car not working on their stuff?
I want someone to answer what good it will do to adjust the trigger fir hp or the index? Makes no difference if they add .50 tenths to the SS/IA index to me because a car like Bryan Worner's will still be 1.00 faster than me on most days lol!

[bsa633]

Originally Posted by Terrance Smith

So if I have a B/SA Shelby and it is only .3 tenths under and Bill Hawk is running his normal 1.00-1.20 under and he gets hit because the indexes are lowered or the trigger is lowered it affects both of us. I don't see what you can do to change anything because it's still going to affect everyone who has that same combo. Someone please tell me what I am missing here.

I dont wanna say "work on your car" or something similar but it seems like alot of people think that everyone that has a car with 4 wheels should be able to race Stock and SS at a competitive level...Should we raise the index a full second instead maybe? Just wondering where the "spirit" of trying to go faster are these days..Bracket Racing is still around..has been forever..if someone dosent want spend the time,effort or money involved to race these categorys like they have let it evolve..should then the faster guys always have to sandbag,lookout for triggers and race at events that dont trigger anything to keep the rest happy? I am not looking for a debate on legal stuff or not or how tech are doing it's work...just seeing whats going on these days...just seem really stupid that everyone can go under the index..and most a full second and more..When i started you had to try a couple of years to beat index!