questions concerning christmas tree

[Bobby DiDomenico]

Originally Posted by BobOrme

The inequity is in first or worst. The current rules don't allow for a worst concerning a red light (unless the quicker car leaves before the tree is activated), therefore the slower dial-in car is at a disadvantage at the tree.

If both leave before the tree is activated, (one driver seeing the other move leaves also) are not both disqualified because it is a safety infraction?

[BobOrme]

Originally Posted by Bobby DiDomenico

If both leave before the tree is activated, (one driver seeing the other move leaves also) are not both disqualified because it is a safety infraction?

That's how it used to be, but that rule has been changed. The driver that leaves second is given the win. This is sometimes called the "John Force Rule" because of his involvement in a double DQ a couple years ago.

[Bobby DiDomenico]

Originally Posted by BobOrme

That's how it used to be, but that rule has been changed. The driver that leaves second is given the win. This is sometimes called the "John Force Rule" because of his involvement in a double DQ a couple years ago.

"This is sometimes called the 'John Force Rule' because of his involvment in a double DQ a few years ago."


Thanks for the info Bob,
You've really made me laugh!

[Ed Fernandez]

Mr Bill said:
Some people just can't stand to lose an argument.... regardless of what's right.

Sit down and go back to all your posts on all the subjects you've subjected us to and see if that doesn't describe you to a T.
I'm done.I never could crack a coconut open.

[Mark Yacavone]

Originally Posted by Ed Fernandez

Mr Bill said:
Some people just can't stand to lose an argument.... regardless of what's right.

Sit down and go back to all your posts on all the subjects you've subjected us to and see if that doesn't describe you to a T.
I'm done.I never could crack a coconut open.

Ed , don't leave yet .
I too, would be interested in specifically, why you think this proposal wouldn't be a good idea for S/SS and handicap racing in general.
Maybe you'll be a little more comfortable addressing someone who's raced a little S/SS over the years.

Talk to me , Ed

[Ed Fernandez]

Originally Posted by Mark Yacavone

Ed , don't leave yet .
I too, would be interested in specifically, why you think this proposal wouldn't be a good idea for S/SS and handicap racing in general.
Maybe you'll be a little more comfortable addressing someone who's raced a little S/SS over the years.

Talk to me , Ed

Mark.I personally don't give a rats *** either way.Dedman has appointed himself the fairness police for
two classes he doesn't even run in.The Arizona Roadrunner at least has a stocker but he alays seems to make posts based on inequities about this or that.Mostly "discrimination" against slow /FWD cars.
I've been the first leaver in Stock since I started in 1999.I'm comfortable with the foul rule as is.It makes me concentrate more on leaving.If it changes,because either pressure from CURRENT S/SS racers or an
organizational decision,but not by someone who is bracket racing and not a S/SS racer.
And as I stated above he should look in the mirror about his last word comment.
I hope that gives you an idea about how I feel.

[X-TECH MAN]

I remember a Steve Taylor several years ago trying to get the first or worst red light rule changed. No one listened then so instead he went out with his FWD Caviler foot brake car and ran a high dollar electronics bracket race and kick all of the fast "button boys" ***** for the win money. The fast guys bitched and they had the et breaks changed so he couldnt run with them anymore. Scared them to death....lol. To bad he is no longer with us. Strange guy but one hell of a nice guy and driver......RIP.

[bill dedman]

Originally Posted by Ed Fernandez

Mark.I personally don't give a rats *** either way.Dedman has appointed himself the fairness police for
two classes he doesn't even run in.The Arizona Roadrunner at least has a stocker but he alays seems to make posts based on inequities about this or that.Mostly "discrimination" against slow /FWD cars.
I've been the first leaver in Stock since I started in 1999.I'm comfortable with the foul rule as is.It makes me concentrate more on leaving.If it changes,because either pressure from CURRENT S/SS racers or an
organizational decision,but not by someone who is bracket racing and not a S/SS racer.
And as I stated above he should look in the mirror about his last word comment.
I hope that gives you an idea about how I feel.

Ed,

I'm sorry that your priorities are such that your problem with my having involved myself in this theoretical discussion has dictated your conclusion that it is not a good idea. Turning a discussion about ideas such as this, into a personal pissing match, is never a good idea; it skews the outcome, such as it has, here.

The fact is, my bracket car suffers EXACTLY THE SAME POTENTIAL FATE as your NHRA Stocker, when I have to leave first in a handicapped race. EXACTLY THE SAME... That is, If I bulb, I go home.... if the second car to leave, bulbs worse, he goes to the next round... or, the winner's circle. That makes no sense. I asked you before; do you think the first car to break out should lose? It's exactly the same deal.... You never answered, of course, because, if you said "yes," it would lead others to conclude that you really DON/T understand the worse red light rule, but if you answered "no", it would appear that you support the logic of the worse red light rule.... so, you said nothing. As usual.

As NHRA goes, so goes the rest of the drag racing world in cases like this.

I can't see where your running a class-legal car makes your opinion any more valid than mine, since we are in the same boat with regard to gettting screwed by this first red light rule.

If there's a significant difference, what is it??????????????????????????


Insofar as not liking to lose an argument, I have lost a few, but I was wrong, then.

I'm not wrong about this. If you had ever given me one, legitimate, logical, reason NOT to change this lopsided rule, I'd have apologized to you and switched to YOUR SIDE...

But, you have never done that. You think it's somehow, effective to attempt to ridicule me from several different angles (location; being a bracket racer, trying to run NHRA by remote control, etc...), but none of that works, because it deals with ME, and not the subject...

I think that if they ever did change this rule, you'd take it as a personal offense, solely because ~I~ wanted to see it happen...

That's pathetic.