Black Tuesday?

Mark Yacavone · 12-13-2009, 04:22 PM

Prediction:

Indexes - .3

Trigger + .15 (1.00 under)

Automatic hit + .15 (1.25 under)

Sean Ward · 12-13-2009, 04:48 PM

wow

Tony Janes · 12-13-2009, 04:48 PM

Mark I agree with most of what you said except the trigger may be 1.10 rather than 1.00

X-TECH MAN · 12-13-2009, 05:12 PM

The trigger should be around .75 or .80 under to make the AHFS system be effective with these new Doges, Mustangs, and engines. The lower classes such as G, H, and I stock are going to take a beating from the Dodges. Nothing will change except the little guy will have more trouble making the field at Indy and places where they usually get more than 128 cars in the field. Its just going to cost more money to run with the big dogs. Nothing changes.

SSDA Hemi · 12-13-2009, 05:19 PM

Nothing changes unless your combination is one of the 15 to get hit with hp.

Lets hope its just a rumor.

Tony Janes · 12-13-2009, 05:46 PM

It may be Friday, Tuesday sound a little early.

Kent Hanley · 12-13-2009, 06:06 PM

If its true that they are dropping all the indexs 3 tenths, there will be less sandbagging at national events and the price of lead will be a lot cheaper. It would take a pass of 1.45 under todays index system for a combination to be triggered. This makes it a lot easier on NHRA to monitor. Plus how many cars do you see that run less then 3 tenths under?

Michael Lyons · 12-14-2009, 11:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kent Hanley

If its true that they are dropping all the indexs 3 tenths, there will be less sandbagging at national events and the price of lead will be a lot cheaper. It would take a pass of 1.45 under todays index system for a combination to be triggered. This makes it a lot easier on NHRA to monitor. Plus how many cars do you see that run less then 3 tenths under?

So basically in 2010 permanent hits would be .05 faster than in 2009? i.e. Caro's -1.41 run at Indy that hit SS/BM .15, wouldn't automatically hit it .15 in 2010? If so, then that ain't right. It should still be 1.40 or 1.10 less the three tenths.

Paul Hellenberg · 12-13-2009, 06:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark Yacavone

Prediction:

Indexes - .3

Trigger + .15 (1.00 under)

Automatic hit + .15 (1.25 under)

I think that Mark has the inside track.

Dick Butler · 12-13-2009, 06:31 PM

Wow, This could be the first move by NHRA that would make the AHFS have better teeth. It would be much more fair for cars which have been in existance for years and factored multiple times which continue to try to compete with BOGUS,or PAPER cars NHRA continues to allow as well as the lack of appropriate starter HP for the new stuff.
Just imagine where the Mustangs would be today running their current numbers with this system.
If I am correct a car 1.45 under current Index would be 1.75 under. Imagine how much quicker they would be corrected if anyone else races them in class. Problem remains how often would they be PUSHED to run fast and get factored?
Better think about a higher Stock class or move the designations down so A would be lighter car than current AA and etc to keep same letters used .

12-13-2009, 04:22 PM	#1
Mark Yacavone Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Miles From Nowhere Posts: 7,840 Likes: 2,934 Liked 5,152 Times in 1,966 Posts	Re: Black Tuesday? Prediction: Indexes - .3 Trigger + .15 (1.00 under) Automatic hit + .15 (1.25 under) __________________ "We are lucky we don't get as much Government as we pay for." Will Rogers

12-13-2009, 04:48 PM	#2
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12-13-2009, 04:48 PM	#3
Tony Janes Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Whittier, Ca Posts: 830 Likes: 101 Liked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Re: Black Tuesday? Mark I agree with most of what you said except the trigger may be 1.10 rather than 1.00 __________________ Tony Janes 7941 STK, SS

12-13-2009, 05:12 PM	#4
X-TECH MAN Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Lake Placid, Florida Posts: 3,203 Likes: 1,047 Liked 235 Times in 110 Posts	Re: Black Tuesday? The trigger should be around .75 or .80 under to make the AHFS system be effective with these new Doges, Mustangs, and engines. The lower classes such as G, H, and I stock are going to take a beating from the Dodges. Nothing will change except the little guy will have more trouble making the field at Indy and places where they usually get more than 128 cars in the field. Its just going to cost more money to run with the big dogs. Nothing changes. Last edited by X-TECH MAN; 12-13-2009 at 05:19 PM.

12-13-2009, 05:19 PM	#5
SSDA Hemi Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: NJ Posts: 504 Likes: 130 Liked 454 Times in 78 Posts	Re: Black Tuesday? Nothing changes unless your combination is one of the 15 to get hit with hp. Lets hope its just a rumor.

12-13-2009, 05:46 PM	#6
Tony Janes Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Whittier, Ca Posts: 830 Likes: 101 Liked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Re: Black Tuesday? It may be Friday, Tuesday sound a little early. __________________ Tony Janes 7941 STK, SS

12-13-2009, 06:06 PM	#7
Kent Hanley Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 130 Likes: 150 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Black Tuesday? If its true that they are dropping all the indexs 3 tenths, there will be less sandbagging at national events and the price of lead will be a lot cheaper. It would take a pass of 1.45 under todays index system for a combination to be triggered. This makes it a lot easier on NHRA to monitor. Plus how many cars do you see that run less then 3 tenths under?

12-13-2009, 06:31 PM	#10
Dick Butler VIP Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Richmond Indiana Posts: 1,196 Likes: 5 Liked 32 Times in 19 Posts	Re: Black Tuesday? Wow, This could be the first move by NHRA that would make the AHFS have better teeth. It would be much more fair for cars which have been in existance for years and factored multiple times which continue to try to compete with BOGUS,or PAPER cars NHRA continues to allow as well as the lack of appropriate starter HP for the new stuff. Just imagine where the Mustangs would be today running their current numbers with this system. If I am correct a car 1.45 under current Index would be 1.75 under. Imagine how much quicker they would be corrected if anyone else races them in class. Problem remains how often would they be PUSHED to run fast and get factored? Better think about a higher Stock class or move the designations down so A would be lighter car than current AA and etc to keep same letters used .

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