CJ engine options and HP ratings.

[Charley Downing]

Greg at I ‘am say is if you look back over the past 25 years in Stock and Superstock these combo are not any softer then past cars when they came out. Examples LT1, LS1, L-98, 1960’s cobra jets, dodge pick trucks & almost every combo Al Provost ran. If some of these combos are not soft who would build one? And if everyone had a 1969 camaro 255/350 in STK and SS the class would suck. It is stuff like this that makes our class so cool. You guys really don't how many people now know about Stk and Superstock now just because of these cobra jets. In the past nine weeks I have talked with over twenty people that had no clue what STK and SS was and now wants to go see what it's all about and maybe someday build a car. In the big picture these car are doing more good than bad. The problem is change is going to happen wheatear you like it or not and some people just don’t like change. If Stk and SS don’t change(Just a little) with the times we will end up just like modified eliminator, GONE.

If the hp system was ran correctly this would not be that big of an issue. We all know that.

[bsa633]

Originally Posted by Charley Downing

If the hp system was ran correctly this would not be that big of an issue. We all know that.

Then the CJ's wouldn't be in Stock!

[Charley Downing]

Well Alan it's not 1969, sorry. How many parts do you think dealers will sell for those cars (zero)? I still can't understand you guys, auto companies have had a big influence on stock and superstock for 30 plus years when it comes to hp rating’s and the parts they come with. There are alot of 1980’s Oldsmobile’s with parts and factors that are bogus. It would be cool to see these old cars in stk and ss but it won’t bring any new people into our sport. If you look at our sport it’s mostly males over 45 right now. While that is great right now what will happen in less then 20 years? How many people race more then 5 races when they reach the age of 65 plus? I still see these people at the track but watching. Just step back and count how many people in the last five years have stop racing or are no longer with us in stk or ss. We need all the help we can get to keep our sport alive. And I feel that things like this will help our class over time.

[Chris "drooze" Wertman]

There is nothing on the DP Challenger I cant walk right into the dealer we bought the car from 4 doors down and order, nothing I can think of , everything has a Chrysler part number and its all in their database, and they get it.

I got my SFI Flexplate there, my spare high flow injectors, gaskets, all kinds of crap with more to come, the price is a little higher than I could "hunt" for maybe 5-10% but they get the stuff in like 2 days, and I just pick it up.

Just my 2cents....at this rate Im going to go broke...of throwing my 2 cents in that is...

Originally Posted by Charley Downing

Well Alan it's not 1969, sorry. How many parts do you think dealers will sell for those cars (zero)? I still can't understand you guys, auto companies have had a big influence on stock and superstock for 30 plus years when it comes to hp rating’s and the parts they come with. There are alot of 1980’s Oldsmobile’s with parts and factors that are bogus. It would be cool to see these old cars in stk and ss but it won’t bring any new people into our sport. If you look at our sport it’s mostly males over 45 right now. While that is great right now what will happen in less then 20 years? How many people race more then 5 races when they reach the age of 65 plus? I still see these people at the track but watching. Just step back and count how many people in the last five years have stop racing or are no longer with us in stk or ss. We need all the help we can get to keep our sport alive. And I feel that things like this will help our class over time.

[novassdude]

Can I go to that dealer and buy a challenger off the lot with the same motor that is in the DP cars?

[Alan Roehrich]

Originally Posted by Charley Downing

Well Alan it's not 1969, sorry. How many parts do you think dealers will sell for those cars (zero)? I still can't understand you guys, auto companies have had a big influence on stock and superstock for 30 plus years when it comes to hp rating’s and the parts they come with. There are alot of 1980’s Oldsmobile’s with parts and factors that are bogus. It would be cool to see these old cars in stk and ss but it won’t bring any new people into our sport. If you look at our sport it’s mostly males over 45 right now. While that is great right now what will happen in less then 20 years? How many people race more then 5 races when they reach the age of 65 plus? I still see these people at the track but watching. Just step back and count how many people in the last five years have stop racing or are no longer with us in stk or ss. We need all the help we can get to keep our sport alive. And I feel that things like this will help our class over time.

What year it is has absolutely nothing to do with it.

Sure, there have been poorly factored cars in Stock before. Is that a valid excuse to do it again? If someone robs your house, does that make it okay for the next ******* to rob it?

Screwing the current participants of the sport by bringing in ringers and then making it possible for them to avoid being correctly factored doesn't sound like a real good way to bring in new participants.

I don't think that many people under 45 can afford $75K for a car plus another $15K or so to make it work, so I doubt the ringers will bring in that many new participants, especially young participants.

This little rewrite of the rule book completely changes the character of NHRA Stock Eliminator. Stock and Super Stock are not being "saved" by this, they're being changed. And not necessarily for the better.

Sorry Charlie, the rest of us are not buying it.