CJ engine options and HP ratings.

[Alan Roehrich]

Originally Posted by GUMP

The truth is that this is what happens when the Big Three decide to get back into Stock/SS! The last time around they did everything they could with what they had in their parts bins to. Why should it be any different this time around? Why do you think they built Hemi cars, COPO cars, and Cobra Jet Mustangs in the late sixties? They sure weren't aimed at socker mums!

There were over 1200 COPO L-72 Camaros built, 69 ZL-1 Camaros, plenty of L-88 Corvettes, around 500 or so L-72 69 Chevelles, and the list goes on. All real street legal cars sold at the dealership. Not only that, only the ZL-1 Camaro had a really high price tag.

If these cross breed crate motor combinations are legal, then why isn't a 67 Corvette L-88 legal? After all, they built and sold 36 of them. Who knows how many were given away.

If the Roush cars are legal, why aren't all the Yenko cars, or all of the Baldwin/Motion cars?

It's suddenly all fine and dandy to put just about anything in Stock Eliminator, regardless of whether or not it was even remotely intended for street use, or even produced at the factory. There used to be a rule about "export cars", "tuner cars" and all of that. Rules intended specifically to keep ringers with bogus factors out of Stock. But now it is evidently okay to put anything in Stock, regardless of it ever being actually produced or available in the showroom at all. And you can evidently name your own factor as well.

The idea that all of this is absolutely no different than 98 F bodies with 97 LT-1 engines is the biggest bunch of BS I've seen. In fact, evidently the 97 and 98 carry the same HP factor and the same curb weight. So, in effect, they're only different in appearance. But somehow they are as outrageously bogus as a car that has 650HP at the rear wheels in stock form being factored at 425 HP. Yeah, right.

[69Cobra]

How about NHRA gets a moble chassis dyno and they pick and chose cars to put on the chassis dyno when a cars on its way back up the return road and start factoring all combos by there "real" hp. Everybody wants to bitch about everything let take the BS out of it and just show everybodys hand.

[Dave Ficacci]

Originally Posted by 69Cobra

How about NHRA gets a moble chassis dyno and they pick and chose cars to put on the chassis dyno when a cars on its way back up the return road and start factoring all combos by there "real" hp. Everybody wants to bitch about everything let take the BS out of it and just show everybodys hand.

620 at the wheels.
I don't make that at the crank.

[Jim Carter]

Originally Posted by Dave Ficacci

620 at the wheels.
I don't make that at the crank.

David:
The silence is deafening...
Ouch!

[Alan Roehrich]

Originally Posted by Dave Ficacci

620 at the wheels.
I don't make that at the crank.

Neither do we. And we're at only 4HP less than the recently refactored Cobra Jets that do.

[69Cobra]

Originally Posted by Dave Ficacci

620 at the wheels.
I don't make that at the crank.

That dyno is out of calibration.

[Alan Roehrich]

Originally Posted by 69Cobra

That dyno is out of calibration.

Which one? Are you sure? Because the dyno numbers sure match the performance so far.

[69Cobra]

Yeah you're talking about a speed shop that make the dyno read what ever they want by a stroke of a few keys. Look customer your car came in making 500 hp and now it makes 600 hp and all we did was change the tune (and the DA on the dyno) and look we made you 100 hp more. BTW here's your bill for $1,000 have a good day.

[Charley Downing]

$100,000 to build a new cj is a little high. And the year has everything to do with it you just don't get it. As far as dyno numbers go what do you think a good LS1 makes for power? I know for a fact some LS1 make over 535hp and there rated at 373hp. If the cj makes somewhere around600hp and is rated at 435hp it's really not that far out of line.

[Alan Roehrich]

Originally Posted by 69Cobra

Yeah you're talking about a speed shop that make the dyno read what ever they want by a stroke of a few keys. Look customer your car came in making 500 hp and now it makes 600 hp and all we did was change the tune (and the DA on the dyno) and look we made you 100 hp more. BTW here's your bill for $1,000 have a good day.

Really? Gee, I know nothing about dynos, I've only been operating them for 20 years or so.

You can make a dyno lie, but it is hard to fool the clocks at a drag strip.