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Old 12-21-2009, 01:32 PM   #1
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[QUOTE=Michael Beard;

Weather killed MIR this year. I believe the President's Cup has historically done pretty well.

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NOPE.....the year before Royce lost several hundred thou also even though I heard IHRA paid him approx 2/3 to 3/4 of it to cover his loss. It was upwards of $300,000. The race only made money several years ago....and not much even then.
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Old 12-21-2009, 01:37 PM   #2
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The cost of racing will eventually eliminate all but the wealthy in time, just my opinion
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Old 12-21-2009, 01:44 PM   #3
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there is no need for the demise of dragracing. our local circle track has 100 cars and 2000 spectators each weekend with 5000 dollar engines. we have missed the boat somehow. now, agree or not, it does not take a rocket scientist to figure out what is going on.
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Old 12-21-2009, 07:35 PM   #4
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I have just turned 30, I was at the U.S. nationals befor i was born. Their is nothing greater to me, or more important to me than stock/ super stock racing. I have a 1972 buick that my father ran in pure stock, and stock for a while, and then the car was passed to me. buick motor cost a lot of money, and even more now with the indexes. I have tried like crazy to get my freinds to get into class racing, They understand it, they even like it. they have been to the trtack many times with my father, and i. But the bottome line is, one of them took a all steel 70 nova, with a 9" radial, and a small block chevy and went 10.50s for about $6000.00 What would it cost to build that car as a stocker? I would love to be able to afford to do it, and im still working on that. but the people that dont have any ties with this kinda racing will never understand!!!!!!!!
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Old 12-24-2009, 08:13 AM   #5
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I have just turned 30, I was at the U.S. nationals befor i was born. Their is nothing greater to me, or more important to me than stock/ super stock racing. I have a 1972 buick that my father ran in pure stock, and stock for a while, and then the car was passed to me. buick motor cost a lot of money, and even more now with the indexes. I have tried like crazy to get my freinds to get into class racing, They understand it, they even like it. they have been to the trtack many times with my father, and i. But the bottome line is, one of them took a all steel 70 nova, with a 9" radial, and a small block chevy and went 10.50s for about $6000.00 What would it cost to build that car as a stocker? I would love to be able to afford to do it, and im still working on that. but the people that dont have any ties with this kinda racing will never understand!!!!!!!!
you hit the nail on the head.it took 25000 too get a stocker to run 1 under @11.30 (g/sa 72 demon) and 12000 make a super street car to 10.20 out the back door.(68 dart)


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I don't think bracket racing is complicated until I am asked to explain why the first car in a handicapped race to red light, ALWAYS loses, but the first car to break out, doesn't.

How do you explain the reason for that disparity to a novice?
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Old 12-23-2009, 11:19 PM   #7
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I don't think bracket racing is complicated until I am asked to explain why the first car in a handicapped race to red light, ALWAYS loses, but the first car to break out, doesn't.

How do you explain the reason for that disparity to a novice?
You tell him to get a rule book and read the RULES.Then you sit back and have a beer.
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There has been a decline in Stock and Super Stock??? Look at the car count in Nitro Joe's stats! Especially in Division 1 and 3! I don't see any decline!! Indy gets a full car count every year in both classes! Yeah, the racing may have changed a little bit, but the interest is still there!!! I have seen plenty of new blood in both classes in the last couple of years!!
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Old 12-24-2009, 01:48 AM   #9
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You tell him to get a rule book and read the RULES.Then you sit back and have a beer.
Ed, I don't like beer....

Believe it or not, there are people who think more deeply than to simply accept such a cockeyed situation... "Well, here (on a red light) we disqualify the first car to create an infraction, but HERE, (on a breakout infraction) we don't..."

Where is the consistency?

I'd be too embarrassed for NHRA to simply ask the novice to just close his eyes to intelligent thought, and accept that glaring disparity in logic just because "IT'S THE RULE."

Rules owe it to their constituency to provide a logical reason why they're written the way they are. Anything less, is chaos...

Nobody can do that in this case. It's a travesty to anyone who looks at it with more than a cursory glance.

This may be a novice who can understand the lopsided situation it creates.

Some people are deep thinkers, Ed... and can see that if you're going to eliminate the first car to redlight, shouldn't you also eliminate the first car to break out?

They used to.... in the beginning of Christmas Tree handicap racing. But, at some point, early-on, someone said, "Hey; that makes NO SENSE!"

"Let's eliminate the racer who breaks out the MOST!!"

And so they did. I assume you have no problem with that.

Now, it's possible to eliminate the racer who RED LIGHTS the MOST!

No reason not to change to a system that mimics the breakout protocol.

If the novice asks me, I can't just dumb the question down to "READ THE RULEBOOK;" there's more to it than that, because it needs attention.... the novice MAY be as stupid and thick-headed as I was; it took me YEARS before somebody took me aside and explained the problems with the current system, and even THEN, I didn't really "get it." A few more weeks, and it began to dawn on me that, "Hey; this guy's got something, here."

Comparing it with the breakout situation, and how it's handled, might be the easiest way to understand why the way they've been doing it since 1963 is not consistent with the way they prosecute breakouts... and breakouts are EXACTLY LIKE REDLIGHTS... a case of being in the wrong place at the wrong time... maybe by milliseconds, but nevertheless, the wrong place at the wrong time.

Same type infraction; needs to be handled the same way.

The novice is owed an explanation beyond "READ THE RULEBOOK."

I'd like to be there when he asks you why the difference in how red lights are treated, vs. breakouys and see what you tell him!!! "Read the Rulebook, sonny!!!" LOL!

You probably would...

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Old 12-24-2009, 04:14 AM   #10
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My father runs a car in Stock (occasionally ). We still have his old car, every now and then I consider rebuilding it and running it.

Then I remember the traveling, spending 4 days at the track 7am til after dark, the money spent, the rules changes... then I think that there are several other ways that I can beat my head against the wall and they all cost less!

Add to that now you have supercharged cars in Stock? IRS cars that have been converted to live axles with "factory approved" 4 links? The obvious disdain that NHRA has for S/SS?

You couldn't convince me to build a Stock or Super Stock car.

If i do anything with the old Oldsmobile, it will be as a bracket car.
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