Legal Stocker?

[Paul Precht]

The 63 Dodges had aluminum bumpers, The 64 Dodge was paper thin steel with aluminum brackets, I owned both. The stock 64 Dodge bumper and brackets I had weighed 68lbs, the light weight with aluminum brackets was 15 lbs. The lightweight bumper was extremely rigid, not flimsy at all. Back in the early to mid eighties I was living with my mom and she walked into the spare bedroom upstairs one time to see the whole front of a 64 Dodge completely assembled, she wasn't pleased, Paul.

[X-TECH MAN]

Originally Posted by Paul Precht

The 63 Dodges had aluminum bumpers, The 64 Dodge was paper thin steel with aluminum brackets, I owned both. The stock 64 Dodge bumper and brackets I had weighed 68lbs, the light weight with aluminum brackets was 15 lbs. The lightweight bumper was extremely rigid, not flimsy at all. Back in the early to mid eighties I was living with my mom and she walked into the spare bedroom upstairs one time to see the whole front of a 64 Dodge completely assembled, she wasn't pleased, Paul.

You are correct Paul......I was just thinking about "Big KaHunas" car being a Plymouth. Its a bitch getting old.....LOL.

[Harry 6674]

How about the alum. radiator and the Barton intake lid?

[X-TECH MAN]

Alum. stock replacement radiators are legal in ALL IHRA stockers. Reason......some older units are almost impossable to find or recore. Its cheaper to use a stock alum replacement. The difference in wt. is next to nothing. Common sense prevails. The intake manifold was allowed by Mike Baker as I had nothing to do with that decision as I retired. It to makes sense as try finding a stock OEM cross ram HEMI intake manifold that hasnt been dicked with after all of these years. The MoPar performance Hemi part is much less expensive and easy to obtain. Beats payibg several thousand dollars for an OEM intake If you could find one. I know.....But its not stock but what is these days. Its not stock that counts but what is allowed by the racing association. Look at the single 4 barrle manifold that NHRA allowed on the Hemi cars like Bartons and others. Its no where near like the original piece IF you could ever find one and take out a mortgage to pay for it. Not everyone racing these Hemi cars is a multi millionare.

[treessavoy]

IHRA told me I could use the fiberglass parts on my '64 Max Wedge but they had to be obtained from a certain manufacture but (get this) they didn't know who it was.

Does anyone out there know who makes these parts?

Appreciate the help,

JimR

[Dick Butler]

Travis, I asked a couple of years ago about Glass replacement parts for Al cars.
Today Aluminum Heads are allowed on many Fords, Chevy and aftermarket manifolds and trans 3 speeds instead of 2 speeds.
If No aluminum Fenders are being made or Hoods or Fenders I am confused as to Why Stock Appearing Kevlar, Fiberglass parts are not allowed in NHRA. Is it a Chrysler deal to prevent other cars coming back to eliminator? Is it just slow thinking? on the part of NHRA? If Dove Heads, Edelbrock Heads are on the motor how is the Aluminum fender making the car more stock or SS qualified?

[X-TECH MAN]

Originally Posted by Dick Butler

Travis, I asked a couple of years ago about Glass replacement parts for Al cars.
Today Aluminum Heads are allowed on many Fords, Chevy and aftermarket manifolds and trans 3 speeds instead of 2 speeds.
If No aluminum Fenders are being made or Hoods or Fenders I am confused as to Why Stock Appearing Kevlar, Fiberglass parts are not allowed in NHRA. Is it a Chrysler deal to prevent other cars coming back to eliminator? Is it just slow thinking? on the part of NHRA? If Dove Heads, Edelbrock Heads are on the motor how is the Aluminum fender making the car more stock or SS qualified?

Dick.......Slow thinking on NHRA's part is the correct answer.

[Travis Miller]

Originally Posted by Dick Butler

Travis, I asked a couple of years ago about Glass replacement parts for Al cars.
Today Aluminum Heads are allowed on many Fords, Chevy and aftermarket manifolds and trans 3 speeds instead of 2 speeds.
If No aluminum Fenders are being made or Hoods or Fenders I am confused as to Why Stock Appearing Kevlar, Fiberglass parts are not allowed in NHRA. Is it a Chrysler deal to prevent other cars coming back to eliminator? Is it just slow thinking? on the part of NHRA? If Dove Heads, Edelbrock Heads are on the motor how is the Aluminum fender making the car more stock or SS qualified?

Dick, When you “asked” about ‘glass replacement parts for aluminum cars did you include your type of car you were racing that needed to replace the aluminum parts? Did you include facts stating that you were at a disadvantage in the class you were racing to need the ‘glass parts to replace aluminum parts?

The actual racers that asked for a 3-speed automatic trans to replace a 2-speed trans they were limited to DID included their car number and class, the races they ran, and facts showing ET’s where they could not compete against cars built with 3-speeds.

The actual racers that asked for aluminum heads to replace cast iron heads DID included their car number and class, the races they ran, and information showing the company name and part # of the head they wanted to be allowed as a replacement. A new head was then submitted and checked before approval.

There are 2 types of letters to send in to get something approved. A generic version of each follow:

...Dear Sirs: I do not race in Stock or SS and never intend to, however I would like to see fiberglass parts be allowed to replace high dollar aluminum body parts because I think it would be really neat to watch those old rare factory racecars run again. Thank you

...Dear Sirs: I currently race in S/S (number XXXX, class XX) and am having a hard time locating heads to fit my engine. Company XYZ makes an aluminum replacement head part #xxxxxxx that is similar to the head I use. I would like to have that company submit the head to you for comparison to the OEM head in hopes of getting it accepted as a replacement for my engine. Thank you

Now Dick, which letter do you think will get action? If someone wants something approved, there is a correct way to do it.

Travis

(Disclaimer: Opinions expressed by me on this forum are exactly that, my opinions.)

[X-TECH MAN]

Originally Posted by treessavoy

IHRA told me I could use the fiberglass parts on my '64 Max Wedge but they had to be obtained from a certain manufacture but (get this) they didn't know who it was.

Does anyone out there know who makes these parts?

Appreciate the help,

JimR

I mentioned this before on this forum. Its been to long ago for me to remember the companys name and I doubt there is anyone left working at IHRA who remembers when this became legal and what company was involved. Mike Baker (National Tech Director) was more involved with the Pro cars and I was about the only one who really cared about stock and super stock at that time. Call Jack McCormick (he was involved with this decision many years ago along with people who worked at MoPar performance but I doubt those guys are still around either.) or Phil Baldiccino (570-923-0176) anytime as he runs his own business in the mountians of Penn. He will answer unless he just happens to be on his weekly grocery run. Phil is probably the easiest to get on the phone. Phill is a great guy and a true Max Wedge racer and fan. Phil uses the companys fiberglass on his 63 Max Wedge and is a hard core IHRA stock eliminator racer.