09 Challenger/Mustang engines

[W J]

I believe that Ford has a brand new 5.0 motor called the "Coyote" that's supposed to be pretty special, performance-wise. Really don't know much about it....maybe someone here can enlighten us on this new 5.0, if it's available on any '010 models, or is just a crate motor, or what? WJ

[lstanford]

Originally Posted by W J

I believe that Ford has a brand new 5.0 motor called the "Coyote" that's supposed to be pretty special, performance-wise. Really don't know much about it....maybe someone here can enlighten us on this new 5.0, if it's available on any '010 models, or is just a crate motor, or what? WJ

The 5.0 Coyote will be available in the 2011 Mustang which starts production in March of 2010 and will be sold starting in April 2010. Ford is going back to when it had the success of the 5.0 badging in the 80's and 90's. The engine makes 412 HP and gets 17mpg in the city. Ford Racing will sell performance kits to raise HP further.

[Superfan1]

Also the 5.0 Coyote engine is a DOHC, 32 valve engine and makes 390 ft-lbs of torque. In addition, the 2011 Mustang is finally being offered with a 6 speed manual transmission. There is a complete write up in the March issue of Car and Driver.
Bill Seabrooks - superfan1
Bridgeport, CT

[Jeff Teuton]

The Mopar motors are 6.1 Hemi, 5.7 Hemi, and 5.9 Magnum Wedge. They are done by Gary Stanton Racing and are really nice stuff. They are all standard bore and non stroked cranks. I have one 6.1 apart, and my first 5.9 is being built now. The contents are really good stuff and preminum blocks, cranks, pistons, rods. etc. I think the 6.4 (392) is in the wings for racing as well as production. That motor has been around for over 5 years as Arrow Racing did one that far back. The good heads hit production in the 2008 SRT cars, and then all the Hemi motors in 2009. Just have to wait on all these new cars (Fords & Mopars) to see how bad they get beat up by the participants.

[hemidup]

Originally Posted by Jeff Teuton

The Mopar motors are 6.1 Hemi, 5.7 Hemi, and 5.9 Magnum Wedge. They are done by Gary Stanton Racing and are really nice stuff. They are all standard bore and non stroked cranks. I have one 6.1 apart, and my first 5.9 is being built now. The contents are really good stuff and preminum blocks, cranks, pistons, rods. etc. I think the 6.4 (392) is in the wings for racing as well as production. That motor has been around for over 5 years as Arrow Racing did one that far back. The good heads hit production in the 2008 SRT cars, and then all the Hemi motors in 2009. Just have to wait on all these new cars (Fords & Mopars) to see how bad they get beat up by the participants.

Actually Jeff, the heads that come on the DP 5.7 and 6.1 engine's are the same 6.1 castings which were available since 2005. The only difference is the DP heads have stainless steel 2.10" int/1.60" exh valves vs the OEM sodium filled 2.08" int/ 1.60" exh valves. Why they did that? I have no clue cause I've seen some performance loss with the larger non OEM intake valve. In 09 they changed the design of the 5.7 heads from previous years. Its a 66cc closed chamber design with 2.05" int/1.55" exh valves with square 6.1 intake and D shaped exh ports vs the older 5.7 with .052" quench pads, 85cc open chamber with 2.00" int/ 1.55" exh valves, rectangle intake port and square shaped exh ports. Out of the box, both the newer 5.7 and 6.1 heads flow 300 cfm @ .600" lift. The older 5.7 heads flowed 270 cfm @ .600" lift. However, air speed of the older 5.7 head is much faster than the newer designed 5.7 head or the 6.1. It'll be interesting to see if and when Dodge releases the 392. I heard the Ram trucks might get them first? idk. I've been hearing about it the 392 for the past few years and got tired of waiting so I built my own.

[mannymen]

No doubt the Comp Elim guys are all over these engines. A lot of power to be made. It's amazing to me to watch guys like Glen Treadwell run high 7's and low 8's in a roadster and dragster with 4 & 6 cylinder engines, when I can't get my V8 to go near as fast. I'm sure someone will have a twin turbo challenger/mustang motor that pushes 1500 hp plus soon if not already.

[hemidup]

Originally Posted by mannymen

No doubt the Comp Elim guys are all over these engines. A lot of power to be made. It's amazing to me to watch guys like Glen Treadwell run high 7's and low 8's in a roadster and dragster with 4 & 6 cylinder engines, when I can't get my V8 to go near as fast. I'm sure someone will have a twin turbo challenger/mustang motor that pushes 1500 hp plus soon if not already.

A stock block 6.1 Hemi is good for around a 1000 hp before you start to worry about the cylinder walls cracking. The 5.7 block is thicker, but no one has pushed the envelope on one just quite yet.

[Chris "drooze" Wertman]

And the Darton Wet Sleeves solve that but at around 5k + block for machine and sleeves by Darton....ouch......(I know a guy who got a price break he did 8 at once, they cut 300$ off each not much of a break in my book.) Turnaround time is about 1.5 months right now.

ALSO LSM Out of Michigan is making Billet 6.1 blocks , obviously no good for Stock, but they are water blocks or solid at around 9k, beats the 10k for a cast and sleeved Mopar 426 (3rd gen like the 1320 had).....

Oh well......its the Rise of the Hemi again....and damm are these motor designs sweeeeeeeeeettttt..... (except the thin castings on the 6.1)

When the VVT 6.4's hit they are going to be downright EVIL, and with MDS theyll get the same mileage as the 6.1 average.....cool stuff.

How many other (and this is a serious question) STOCK SHOWROOM engines (as the 6.1 SRT8 is) flow 300 cfm on the intake side bone stock ?

Originally Posted by hemidup

A stock block 6.1 Hemi is good for around a 1000 hp before you start to worry about the cylinder walls cracking. The 5.7 block is thicker, but no one has pushed the envelope on one just quite yet.

[W J]

Lots of the old 60's--70's equipment is maybe going to have to finally move over to nostalgia racing circuits in the next couple of years....unless they do some further adjusting to the stock and superstock classes....After dominating for almost 50 years, the new stuff will be driving around the old iron in the higher alphabet classes almost surely this season... Ford and Chrysler are leading the way, w/great new state-of-the-art cars and crate powertrains, while GM seems to be standing around w/their fingers up their butts---seemingly doing very little to promote a competetive 5th gen Camaro stocker or SS car, sadly enough... but maybe the government won't let them?? Just my .02 cents. WJ