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Old 01-30-2010, 06:58 PM   #1
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Travis, Very Good discussion. Very good examples. As I have no car to question I am sure my input or question is of lessor value to the committee.
I think and third letter example should be included in your discussion though.
Dear Sir. I am a manufacturer and wish to produce a product for profit which is similar to the parts used on cars being raced in Stock or SS in NHRA classes. I wish them to be allowed as a replacement part and legal. They will be Aluminum instead of Steel. THey will be Higher quality due to todays technology. I am a major Sponsor.
or....4) Dear Sir, I have raced 35 Years in NHRA and am familiar with the evolution of the rules regarding S and SS. In my opinion the allowance of replacement Engine parts of Aluminum for steel, Aftermarket reproductions for original parts is progress.
.....Many interesting SS and S cars from the 60s were very limited in production from the factory with ALUMINUM body parts. Today parts are not available in Quantity to allow expanded numbers of participant s with these cars. Prices for the 50 original sets prevent racers in parallel racing programs from Crossing over and participating in NHRA S AND SS classes. THese are potential entries to enlarge the racer pool for our events. I suggest consideration of allowing Kevlar reproduction parts for Fenders, Doors, Hoods, Bumpers for parts originally produced only in Aluminum from the factory to see more of these Classic S and SS cars enter NHRA events.
I think this might also be a reasonable request letter. Fairly close to the letter I submitted.
Again Thanks Travis.

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Old 01-30-2010, 07:05 PM   #2
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Travis, Very Good discussion. Very good examples. As I have no car to question I am sure my input or question is of lessor value to the committee.
I think and third letter example should be included in your discussion though.
Dear Sir. I am a manufacturer and wish to produce a product for profit which is similar to the parts used on cars being raced in Stock or SS in NHRA classes. I wish them to be allowed as a replacement part and legal. They will be Aluminum instead of Steel. THey will be Higher quality due to todays technology. I am a major Sponsor.
I think this might also be a reasonable request letter.
Not to change the line of thinking or debate here, but this car, which pitted behind me, is why I am now playing in Stock. The car is fantastic, depending upon the price, I might have bought it. Like a few in stock, it caught too much air which slowed it down, but not a sight forgotten by myself or the kids.

Really nice family. Sorry to see the car leave them.

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Old 01-31-2010, 12:31 AM   #3
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Dick, Why is it that every time someone asks that a replacement be allowed for an expensive rare or obsolete part, the new replacement part asked for seems to weigh less than the original piece? What would be wrong with simply asking to allow readily available and cheaper steel parts to replace no longer available aluminum fenders, hood, or bumpers? That would be a good way to bring out clones of rare factory racecars. But no, people have to ask for expensive lightweight carbon fiber or Kevlar. Sounds like what is really wanted is an advantage over others in a class.

On the topic of replacement aluminum heads being lighter, they are accepted because very few in the aftermarket make cast iron heads except for small block Chevys…and that is mainly because of a huge round track market.

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Old 01-31-2010, 07:24 AM   #4
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Dick....the answer for those who want to race a limited production combo is to race IHRA and to say the hell with NHRA. NHRA is stubborn, and ALWAYS right no matter what the situation. They have thier own agenda but Its a free U.S.A. (for now) so race where you want to and under the rules of that paticular association. The decision to allow the "Quality" thick fiberglass manufactured by a company that made this stuff that looks as though the part was made of steel was a good one in my opinion. The ruling was decided on by a manufacturer (MoPar), racers input, and several on the tech commitiee at that time to try and bring back the old rare combos for those who dont want to spend, cant spend, and find it crazy to spend the $10,000 to $25,000 or more for weak, bent up, rare parts if someone can even find the stuff. Carbon Fiber and Kevlar was NOT allowed under no circumstance. Its very easy to tell the difference between the two so that should not be an issue and at the time only ONE company was allowed to supply the parts. You are wasting your breath and energy arguing with anyone from NHRA unless it will benifit the ones in Calif. I guess only the Ford T-Bolt will be able to run AA/S or in S/S as they came with fiberglass from the factory instead of Alum. How many of those running today are still using thier original factory fiberglass instead of lighter replacement fiberglass parts not to mention Edelbrock Alum heads, Jerico tranmissions or C-4 automatics and maybe titainium valves instead of the hollow stem steel valves they came with? Food for thought?

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Old 01-31-2010, 07:46 AM   #5
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Travis, Thanks I was not questioning Lighter parts. I figured same wt stuff. I guess my "theoretical Question" was Light wt parts give wt distribution advantage over good quality Steel replacements.. Kind of like the new Chrysler parts to reduce the wts.
X-tech- When I mentioned Kevlar I was merely thinking Light Glass stuff which would be close to AL wts.Good Fiberglass replacements would be a better question.
Thanks for pointing out the flaws in my question .
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