phoenix crash

63corvette · 02-27-2010, 11:02 AM

Track prep is the key.
I have friends who live in the Phoenix area and will not race there.
In 2007 I raced the National in SG and was #1 qualifier 9.901 at 160+MPH with a new car. I lost 3rd round and loaded the car and waited for the next weeks Division race.
I took the car out and in 3 time trials and first round the best et was 10.9 something due to the car getting loose when it came off the stop. I thought the car was broken. I tried everything I could think of and never made a full pass down the track. A few weeks later I went to Tuscon to the Division race there and the car was flawless and I made 4 rounds there.
That same year there was discussions of not having a National there if things were not upgraded. I think over that year is when they added the shutdown area paving out into the desert and additional return road. Since then I have not seen any changes.
I did not go out west this year due to scheduling and family issues. This is the first time I have missed the early races since retirement in 2001.
However I am not disappointed I skipped it this year.
Just My 2 Cents

Byron Worner · 02-27-2010, 11:16 AM

Rain is no reason for a track to be a piece of ****. I've been at Maple Grove and Englishtown where it has rained hard for two days straight and when it quit we raced with no issues. It comes down to the condition of the track surface and the way it is prepped. If there is lack of maintenance at the track, the track is bad. If there is skimping of the traction compound, like at Atco last fall for test and tune, the track is bad.

Jeff Lee · 02-27-2010, 01:12 PM

I just spoke to Don Kennedy. He's at the track for the divisional event. Firebird has prepped the track (NOT NHRA which preps the national events). Track personnel prepped the track and Don says it appears to be "killer" (as in good...)

And Bryon Worner is correct. Shouldn't fall back on the rain as an excuse. Other tracks get rained on all month long and they can still race when the rain stops.

So it will be interesting to see if Firebird works better with on-site personnel doing the work. Might see the smoking gun...

SGSCSG · 02-27-2010, 03:47 PM

http://www.nhra.com/story/2010/2/26/...stponed-again/

Bob Mulry · 02-27-2010, 04:23 PM

The Stock Eliminator qualifying sheet shows the first 20 cars 1.00 second or more under the old index...

How bad a condition is that?

Could the problem be VP traction compound, 1000' runs and most of all NHRA???

Maybe it is time to cut the PRO's loose and just let the real racecars and racers race??

In reality the PRO's have become an embarrassment to the sport and it is starting to look like WWE more and more.

Just taking a look,
Bob

david ring · 02-27-2010, 04:33 PM

race postponed
http://dragracecentral.com/DRCStory....99490#indextop

Tom Meyer · 02-27-2010, 04:35 PM

Vp is not what is used by nhra, vht is given to then. Nhra wanted VP to give them traction compound and was told no. Tom

Bob Mulry · 02-27-2010, 08:04 PM

Tom,

In the past VP was only used by NHRA and NHRA people prepped for the National events and VHT was used for the LODRS and applied by the track.

When did this change?

Thanks for the info,
Bob

02-27-2010, 11:16 AM	#2
Byron Worner Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 231 Likes: 15 Liked 37 Times in 7 Posts	Re: phoenix crash Rain is no reason for a track to be a piece of ****. I've been at Maple Grove and Englishtown where it has rained hard for two days straight and when it quit we raced with no issues. It comes down to the condition of the track surface and the way it is prepped. If there is lack of maintenance at the track, the track is bad. If there is skimping of the traction compound, like at Atco last fall for test and tune, the track is bad.

02-27-2010, 01:12 PM	#3
Jeff Lee VIP Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Anthem, Arizona Posts: 2,766 Likes: 0 Liked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Re: phoenix crash I just spoke to Don Kennedy. He's at the track for the divisional event. Firebird has prepped the track (NOT NHRA which preps the national events). Track personnel prepped the track and Don says it appears to be "killer" (as in good...) And Bryon Worner is correct. Shouldn't fall back on the rain as an excuse. Other tracks get rained on all month long and they can still race when the rain stops. So it will be interesting to see if Firebird works better with on-site personnel doing the work. Might see the smoking gun... __________________ Jeff Lee 7494 D/S '70 AMX

02-27-2010, 03:47 PM	#4
SGSCSG Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 5 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: phoenix crash http://www.nhra.com/story/2010/2/26/...stponed-again/ Last edited by SGSCSG; 02-27-2010 at 03:53 PM.

02-27-2010, 04:23 PM	#5
Bob Mulry VIP Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Coarsegold, CA Posts: 1,016 Likes: 57 Liked 320 Times in 102 Posts	Re: phoenix crash The Stock Eliminator qualifying sheet shows the first 20 cars 1.00 second or more under the old index... How bad a condition is that? Could the problem be VP traction compound, 1000' runs and most of all NHRA??? Maybe it is time to cut the PRO's loose and just let the real racecars and racers race?? In reality the PRO's have become an embarrassment to the sport and it is starting to look like WWE more and more. Just taking a look, Bob __________________ Bob Mulry 7516 STK A & M Motorsports

02-27-2010, 04:33 PM	#6
david ring Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Oneonta.,NY Posts: 889 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: phoenix crash race postponed http://dragracecentral.com/DRCStory....99490#indextop

02-27-2010, 11:02 AM	#1
63corvette Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Canyon, Tx Posts: 554 Likes: 128 Liked 362 Times in 105 Posts	Re: phoenix crash Track prep is the key. I have friends who live in the Phoenix area and will not race there. In 2007 I raced the National in SG and was #1 qualifier 9.901 at 160+MPH with a new car. I lost 3rd round and loaded the car and waited for the next weeks Division race. I took the car out and in 3 time trials and first round the best et was 10.9 something due to the car getting loose when it came off the stop. I thought the car was broken. I tried everything I could think of and never made a full pass down the track. A few weeks later I went to Tuscon to the Division race there and the car was flawless and I made 4 rounds there. That same year there was discussions of not having a National there if things were not upgraded. I think over that year is when they added the shutdown area paving out into the desert and additional return road. Since then I have not seen any changes. I did not go out west this year due to scheduling and family issues. This is the first time I have missed the early races since retirement in 2001. However I am not disappointed I skipped it this year. Just My 2 Cents

02-27-2010, 04:35 PM	#7
Tom Meyer Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Pierce NE Posts: 937 Likes: 78 Liked 354 Times in 120 Posts	Re: phoenix crash Vp is not what is used by nhra, vht is given to then. Nhra wanted VP to give them traction compound and was told no. Tom __________________ Tom Meyer 5240 SS Stock ???

02-27-2010, 08:04 PM	#8
Bob Mulry VIP Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Coarsegold, CA Posts: 1,016 Likes: 57 Liked 320 Times in 102 Posts	Re: phoenix crash Tom, In the past VP was only used by NHRA and NHRA people prepped for the National events and VHT was used for the LODRS and applied by the track. When did this change? Thanks for the info, Bob __________________ Bob Mulry 7516 STK A & M Motorsports

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