Just a thought....

[HQS]

Another thought...
If your mother(NHRA) told you not to ingest energy pills(power boosters), Would she be happy if you stuck them up your "other end"(euphemism for the correct word). I don't think so.
If NHRA doesn't like the way you interpret the rule book, they will change it. "Tricks are for kids". I learned that lesson the hard way.
HQS

[Chris "drooze" Wertman]

Good point I guess I subscribe to Smokeys philosiphy, if it aint in the rules as being disallowed its legal.

The rules say I cant mix anything with the air fuel charge, and I wouldnt be.

Ive got a few weeks home while I wait for pistons, Im going to modify the headers for a certain engine I have and get a pressure pump from my buddy who screws with turbines, should be fun low cost. And since I now have accumulated like 6 different sets of LA headers and motors over the years.....why not give it a try.

Itll give me something to do while Im waiting for engine parts. And while Im fixing my house up, and having fun with the kids, 3 weeks till Charlotte is a long time to get bored in...

It was a side effect question as well, its something I plan to try regardless, if it were NHRA legal to boot that would be icing on the cake.

Cheers


Chris

Originally Posted by HQS

Another thought...
If your mother(NHRA) told you not to ingest energy pills(power boosters), Would she be happy if you stuck them up your "other end"(euphemism for the correct word). I don't think so.
If NHRA doesn't like the way you interpret the rule book, they will change it. "Tricks are for kids". I learned that lesson the hard way.
HQS

[voltdr]

Sounds like the good old days when people would put nitro in the oil so the fumes would be ingested in the cylinder and helping with combustion. Does it matter how it got into the cylinder or does it just mater that it did get there to make it illegal?

[greg fulk]

Drooze get ya a sponge type air cleaner freeze it with NOS....install it before the water box...as it melts going down track ..... be completely gone by the time you get to the scales

[Chris "drooze" Wertman]

Originally Posted by greg fulk

Drooze get ya a sponge type air cleaner freeze it with NOS....install it before the water box...as it melts going down track ..... be completely gone by the time you get to the scales

Lol....well lets see the Freezing point is about 100deg below 0 (cel) so I think, Id need to find an elastomeric "sponge" to handle it, doable, Ive got some buddys over at Lockheed that could get me some stuff they use on the ISS seals Im sure, but I think and I could be wrong wearing cryo gloves and having a pressurized cryo tank of no2 at the starting line might be a giveaway Besides when I open the tank to take the sponge out Ive got an idea with undoped no2 boiling off the whole first bleacher would probably care less about racing. Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

[buzzinhalfdozen]

Soooo..... are you wanting someones blessing to cheat? Just because the rulebook doesn't specifically state you can't do it doesn't mean you can, I found that out the hard way. Ever since when ever I had some sort of "out of the box" idea I'd run it by an Official first, saves alot of head aches. I'd try to make the motor last a race or two before I'd be trying to reinvent the wheel. But cudos on your imagination. Joe

[Rich Biebel]

Originally Posted by buzzinhalfdozen

Soooo..... are you wanting someones blessing to cheat? I'd try to make the motor last a race or two before I'd be trying to reinvent the wheel. Joe

Makes sense to me !

But I'm sure all the supporters will attack this line of thinking as being to critical....

[NewHemi]

Drooze wasn't asking for someone to bless cheating....

Cheating is doing something that is against the rules.

If the rules don't say you can't do it, then you can.

He was trying to be sure that he hadn't missed something in the rules.

It takes courage to ask questions here, since so many seem to just want to bust chops. But Drooze doesn't care, and since his inbox is always full of messages from good people who say Ignore the nasties....He will continue to post, and let the attackers do the only thing they can do,,, attack.

As for waiting to ask this question, this was posted a long time before the second engine separated, so reading the post dates and knowing the time lines of circumstances would make your comments more meaningful, and keep them from appearing as just cheap shots.

Have we now broken two 6.1 Hemi Drag Pak engines? Yes, we have! And we may break another one, or two before we are done. We are pushing forward on a number of areas with these engines, and we are finding out what works, and what doesn't.. But whose business is it if we toast 2, or 10 engines?

At the end of the day, we will have a car that runs as welll as we are trying to make it run.

You can count on that, because we don't intend to sit back and criticize what others are doing, we are moving forward, and traveling the road less traveled..

So you do what you do, and we will do what do.

Have a nice day.

David
The New Hemi Guy
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R65

[boostedf22c]

Originally Posted by Rich Biebel

Makes sense to me !

But I'm sure all the supporters will attack this line of thinking as being to critical....

Makes sense to me too. But don't question Drooze, you'll get attacked now.

[Chris "drooze" Wertman]

Originally Posted by buzzinhalfdozen

Soooo..... are you wanting someones blessing to cheat? Just because the rulebook doesn't specifically state you can't do it doesn't mean you can, I found that out the hard way. Ever since when ever I had some sort of "out of the box" idea I'd run it by an Official first, saves alot of head aches. I'd try to make the motor last a race or two before I'd be trying to reinvent the wheel. But cudos on your imagination. Joe

I thought the original post where I said this had nothing to do with the DP would have been enough that it wasnt for the DP car, in as much as a motor, well were getting ready to build the replacments now, and that gives me some shopside time here at home to work on this as well in the coming weeks.

Not in the least, I am going to build a proof of concept on another engine, that has been planned for a long time, Im working with a material that has properties you arent really used to seeing in a solid before it transitions.

Now that being said, I am doing it period I am going to try it, the percentage of a significant sucess is I estimate 2-3 percent. That all , but the only way to see if the result is desirable is to try it.

This ideas application has several side effect one lowering exhaust valve temperatures but possibly 3-400 degrees, as well as increasing combustion pressure by perhaps up from 7-10% a significant amount in my book.

The QUESTION on it being specifically ILLEGAL, was an afterthought, a "Holy cow nothing in the rules disallows this" It wasnt meant for application on a drag engine , originally. But a say 5% power increase in my book IF it were succesful (a 2-3% chance it would be) then well the possiblity for use in a Drag engine becomes obvious.

I am not going to bother an NHRA official with it UNLESS it works, then Ill ask, I wont be suprised at the answer if its NO, but there has to be a REASON for the answer, if I was going to put it in the intake air chage that is specifically NOT allowed, hence there would be a reason, but, well....I asked if Titanium valve springs were allowed in Stock and the answer was "If It dosent specifically make mention of the material, and in the case of springs no materials are mentioned so YES you can use Titanium springs" That from Bruce Bachelder. So, to me that would follow the same logic for this pattern.

So far, some have given reasonable opinions as to why they think it would get axed, those I appreciate, I see the reasoning, and they are food for thought, as was the WHOLE purpose of the thread, "Thinking out loud" as it were.

That being said, not a single person has pointed me to a rule in the book that would disallow it, NOW In abscence of a rule that is in black and white, it raises this to be something that IF successful is WORTH asking, it looks pretty stupid to ASK Something that it says NO to explicitly, it is NOT stupid to ask on something that is not disallowed, whats the worst that could happen ? The answer would be no.

If I were going to cheat which is something I cannot and will not do, I find it useless, anyone can cheat and win, anyone. To do it above board is the challenge. If I were the type of person to cheat do you think I would ask it here for all to see ? I mean really....

Is it a longshot, hell yes, like all longshots the payoffs are big if it were to be successful.

If......my ether injection idea woulda worked too before my dad kiboshed that one on my minibike....sounded like a good idea when I was 9, in retrospect having a can with a solenoid under my legs fogging ether into a 10 hp Techumsa on a Rupp frame wasnt a great idea, but in all fairness he did let me put the 10hp motor on the minibike