Yet another bogu horsepower factor

[Chris "drooze" Wertman]

Originally Posted by Rich Biebel

A Stocker that can run 145 mph is not a Stocker.....

A new model Stocker that can run more than 1 second under on the brakes on the newly lowered indexes......has a bogus HP factor.....

I wont disagree with the HP Ratings, nuther issue all together, but take a Chally SRT8, pop in a cam with a healthy duration, pull the exhausts , change the gear and converter and throw a tune on it and itll run 10.5 flat all day long, WITH the IRS and pulling at 4000 LB.

I personally know 2 who are doing it with their daily drivers, he touched in the 10.8 last year. And he was heavier (Charger) His MPH was over 135 (cant remeber but I wanna say 138) And hes running through the mufflers.

What makes that not a stocker ? The damm thing is nearly bone stock and his daily driver, no funky cam, no "special" things, a tune, headers, converter and gears ? AND at 4300+ Lbs..... His target is 10.5 in daily trim, hell get it there.

Im dissapointed the SRT8 isnt in the guides, right now Super Street would be its only home.

[Greg Hill]

An update on the 5.7 hemi motor. I just looked at the 2007 5.7 hemi in the engine specs on the NHRA site. The specs are not complete but it shows 10.5 to 1 compression, 2.00/ 1.55 valves, cam lift 482/ 470 and a hp rating of 345. I know this motor doesn't have an intake or throttle body like the crate motor and it's 40 hp more.

[Rich Biebel]

If there are new assembly line or special production cars made in the proper amount for acceptance......that are capable of running 145mph after a normal Stocker type preperation......Their HP rating should be rated at least somewhere close to correct.

Up untill just a few years ago the highest class Stockers barely went 130mph.

That was after numerous "enhancements" and various improvements in engines and drivelines.


If new engine technology is head and shoulders above the old cars......their HP ratings should reflect that....


I have never seen any "Daily Drivers" in near stock condtion run in the 10's.....My idea of a Daily Driver means it is not really just a race car making believe it's a street car.........

I have seen a few Vipers and Corvettes run some pretty impressive numbers but not in the 10's........speeds were under 130 and they were driven to the track. I've seen some boosted street driven imports run some fast numbers as well but nowhere near 145.........

[Chad Rhodes]

Originally Posted by Rich Biebel

If there are new assembly line or special production cars made in the proper amount for acceptance......that are capable of running 145mph after a normal Stocker type preperation......Their HP rating should be rated at least somewhere close to correct.

Up untill just a few years ago the highest class Stockers barely went 130mph.

That was after numerous "enhancements" and various improvements in engines and drivelines.


If new engine technology is head and shoulders above the old cars......their HP ratings should reflect that....


I have never seen any "Daily Drivers" in near stock condtion run in the 10's.....My idea of a Daily Driver means it is not really just a race car making believe it's a street car.........

I have seen a few Vipers and Corvettes run some pretty impressive numbers but not in the 10's........speeds were under 130 and they were driven to the track. I've seen some boostedstreet driven imports run some fast numbers as well but nowhere near 145.........

Rich, you should check out some of the new LS3 Corvettes, several in the 10's with nothing but headers, converter, tune and some drag radials

[Mike Gray]

Take 1hp off the NHRA factor for each year of the cars age.
that should make the '60's muscle cars competitive again.
(might make some 55 chevys happy.)

[Chris "drooze" Wertman]

Originally Posted by Mike Gray

Take 1hp off the NHRA factor for each year of the cars age.
that should make the '60's muscle cars competitive again.
(might make some 55 chevys happy.)

Alright Ive decided to use the "nuclear" option.

Nuff bitching and moaning.

You wanna complain, hows this.

Suppose the NHRA Created a NEW Class, built a bright shiny playground YOU can play in ? BUT We can still play in yours ? And even HP got factored close in S and SS ?

How you like them apples ?

So Im new to Class Racing, so what, I have seen my "Combos" moved up and down the ladder in bikes for years. I had (just sold) a 200cc Bridgestone GP Bike that was ONLY Allowed and still competitive in 350 class... yes really. Not only that but it would tear an NEW 250 anohter ***. That from a 68.

Things are changing.

Adapt or persish simple.

"Stockers" ala 1970 are NOT representitive of todays iron, It took detroit 40 years but its here and now. AND Its STOCK.

Adapt ot perish, no amount of crying will fix it from yalls perspective.

I think a "vintage" class is in order. Would that make you happy ?

I dont negatge the blood sweat and tears put in any combo, but that a lot of you are saying is we cant play too.

Careful what you wish for.....very careful.......

[Greg Hill]

Drooze, you're full of crap. You all haven't even made a decent pass down the race track and you're trying to tell us our cars belong in vintage stock. Bull ****. You have the car that needs to be in a different class not ours. I've listened to you tell everyone how much you know and how smart you are , The thing is, you don't know jack when it comes to stock eliminator. Your car is bogus,the motors for it are bogus, and until you can get it down the race track you are bogus. How do you like them apples?

[Chris "drooze" Wertman]

have never seen any "Daily Drivers" in near stock condtion run in the 10's.....My idea of a Daily Driver means it is not really just a race car making believe it's a street car.........

Go buy an SRT8, change converter and headers, and you will all day long.

Ive got an armrest full of timeslips up to 120 in BONE STOCK Trim.

Hell the old man just ran a 13 flat on STOCK Tune. BONE Stock....we forgot to throw a "tune" on it 100% as from the factory.

Converter and Gears.... easy into low 11's Gears on the SRT8s are tall and with 20 in rubber doggy..

Throw some 18 drag radials on it, low 12s 100% STOCK.

Next ?

Then again I guess weve been poundig the piss outta the new hemis, and throwing rods and lunching heads, and on and on.

A Friggin JEEP SRT8 RIGHT Off the SHOWROOM Is good for low 13's at damm near 4500 LBS !

[Michael Beard]

Originally Posted by drooze

I wont disagree with the HP Ratings, nuther issue all together,

No, it's not another issue. It is *exactly* the issue (or one of two issues -- the other being the "factory built race car, non-street legal issue)

but take a Chally SRT8, pop in a cam with a healthy duration, pull the exhausts , change the gear and converter and throw a tune on it and itll run 10.5 flat all day long, WITH the IRS and pulling at 4000 LB. (...) What makes that not a stocker ?

That *is* a Stocker. It *should* be in the Guide. Get the specs in the guide, give it a rational HP factor, and have at it. They're awesome cars, and they *should* be out there! Saw a really deep blue Challenger SRT8 in a Wally World parking lot yesterday. -=drool=- Just gorgeous!

All anybody has been asking for is a modicum of common sense, and I think 98% of those who take issue with what has been done with the new cars have NO problem with you and others who have built them. You're playing within the rules. It is the factories and NHRA that have made it a complete and utter joke.

[Chris "drooze" Wertman]

Thanks, much needed, it wouldnt have mattered where we ended up just to be a part of it was enough.....

Thanks again, waitll the SRt8 is in the guides....lol

Originally Posted by Michael Beard

No, it's not another issue. It is *exactly* the issue (or one of two issues -- the other being the "factory built race car, non-street legal issue)



That *is* a Stocker. It *should* be in the Guide. Get the specs in the guide, give it a rational HP factor, and have at it. They're awesome cars, and they *should* be out there! Saw a really deep blue Challenger SRT8 in a Wally World parking lot yesterday. -=drool=- Just gorgeous!

All anybody has been asking for is a modicum of common sense, and I think 98% of those who take issue with what has been done with the new cars have NO problem with you and others who have built them. You're playing within the rules. It is the factories and NHRA that have made it a complete and utter joke.