oil retention devices

Bryan Worner · 03-31-2010, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by GRIGGS

Mannymen is right, DRE can build a diaper or oil retention devise to fit any car. !966 chevy 2 nova with drag link through center of oil pan. Fits like a glove. Fathers car is a '72 camaro with a big block in it. Header clearance to the oil pan is very tight. DRE diaper fits great. I will admit, not many S/SS cars blow engines, but when they do it's not pretty. D2 race at Gainesville had a super stocker blow up. No diaper and hour and a half clean up. But I don't run S/SS so I don't know all of the possible combinations.
Just my 2 cents.
Mike Griggs

How much to build and install it???? I'm sure it's more than I want to spend!

Are we going to have to diaper the transmission and rear end too??? I've seen just as many broken transmissions and rear ends that have put fluid on the track as I have blown motors!!

7820 · 03-31-2010, 10:41 AM

Every car at the Division 7 ET finals in 2009 that was quicker than 10.00 and faster than 135 MPH was required to have a diaper. I would think there were a number of cars in Pro that fit that requirement and had stock front sub frames as well as a few in Super Pro.

Don Kennedy · 03-31-2010, 10:45 AM

Who will be liable for the fire that happens because the oil is trapped in the diapher and the race car burns down ?? Just curious ??? or the diapher gets hung up on the steering?? who is liable ???

Brian Oakes · 03-31-2010, 11:28 AM

Well i mas well speak me piece, i have to say FJ had good points and he should know, he has build enough of these cars. in my case i also have about 1/8 of a inch between pan and subframe, oil pan is 4" past the flywheel, draglink is about 3/16 under the oil pan, headers are right there also, Ken i will not be at the open, but i will be at Div. please you and Bob come by my trailer, i will put it on the lift for ya's and i have my spare in the trailer also you can look at, i have a idea what it would cost, ya mas well let us use a dry sump system, i seen the 2 rods come out of a ford a few years ago and not one drop of oil on the track, i have even been looking at putting a pan under the car, but all i can see is alum. going everywhere when it come down front a uncontrolled wheel stand, i know too many cars with these big pans that will be a problem, another question how ya going to drain the oil between rds, to pick it up, just look at Charlotte Stock and Super Stock final's both heads up, i have spend last year 1600.00 on a chiller, just to be faster cooling and also keeping any water for getting on the track, aka for ice cubes, just spend $750.00 on a Chute, when is this stuff all going to stop, i think i was crazy buying another Stocker last week. Guys and Gals i hope all these inputs help solve this problems

Dave Ficacci · 03-31-2010, 11:46 AM

How often will NHRA pull these diapers on a stocker to ensure racers arent hidng fabricated pans with kick outs, etc...

Jim Wahl · 03-31-2010, 12:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 7820

Every car at the Division 7 ET finals in 2009 that was quicker than 10.00 and faster than 135 MPH was required to have a diaper. I would think there were a number of cars in Pro that fit that requirement and had stock front sub frames as well as a few in Super Pro.

Yes, I'm sure there were a few just as there are a few Stockers and Super Stockers that diapers will fit with little problems, however the majority of these cars DO have insurmountable fitting issues! Jim

GRIGGS · 03-31-2010, 03:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bryan Worner

How much to build and install it???? I'm sure it's more than I want to spend!

Are we going to have to diaper the transmission and rear end too??? I've seen just as many broken transmissions and rear ends that have put fluid on the track as I have blown motors!!

Bryan, the custom built one that I got from DRE wa about 400 dollars. Even with the center link going through the diaper and Stef's pan, my little mishap last year concentrated the cleanup in a much smaller area. I believe the cleanup only took 10 minutes and I was able to get my car stopped without sliding around in 5W30. Some track are even paying you extra if you win a local event and have a diaper on the car.

CBS · 03-31-2010, 08:10 PM

My thought is let the diaper guy look at Brian's car....his looks like one of the worst cases I've seen....If the diaper guy says he can't do it...I guess it can't be done....Brian's car will at least speak for the many 69 camaro's...that should be enough to stop it....you would think...

I think both will be at the Norwalk Divisional....

Actually I think Brian should put a stock pan on his car so the diaper fits and we stop breathing his exhaust.....lol

Rock

Tom Meyer · 03-31-2010, 08:24 PM

I have been to a lot of races over the last 20 + years brackets, combos, divs and nationals and have broken a few motors a long the way which have never oiled the track knock on wood. We now can run aftermarket rods better pistons and the latest bearings. Most of us are not running 10 qts of oil or dry sumps. Nun of use wants to oil the track most of the time its just bad luck. Nascar have tons and tons of money in there motors and they blow up just like anybody else, they don,t have dipers, there on TV and have a fleet of sweeper trucks and jet dryers. Why are we such a problem the pros have caused more down time at one race than a years worth of sportman runs. We could have a honest poll on this fourum to just how many times one of us has oiled the track that has caused a cleanup of any kind. Tom

03-31-2010, 10:41 AM	#2
7820 Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 201 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: oil retention devices Every car at the Division 7 ET finals in 2009 that was quicker than 10.00 and faster than 135 MPH was required to have a diaper. I would think there were a number of cars in Pro that fit that requirement and had stock front sub frames as well as a few in Super Pro.

03-31-2010, 10:45 AM	#3
Don Kennedy VIP Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Near Portland TN Posts: 1,590 Likes: 3,876 Liked 902 Times in 237 Posts	Re: oil retention devices Who will be liable for the fire that happens because the oil is trapped in the diapher and the race car burns down ?? Just curious ??? or the diapher gets hung up on the steering?? who is liable ??? __________________ Don Kennedy 7701 SS

03-31-2010, 11:28 AM	#4
Brian Oakes Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 571 Likes: 2 Liked 428 Times in 116 Posts	Re: oil retention devices Well i mas well speak me piece, i have to say FJ had good points and he should know, he has build enough of these cars. in my case i also have about 1/8 of a inch between pan and subframe, oil pan is 4" past the flywheel, draglink is about 3/16 under the oil pan, headers are right there also, Ken i will not be at the open, but i will be at Div. please you and Bob come by my trailer, i will put it on the lift for ya's and i have my spare in the trailer also you can look at, i have a idea what it would cost, ya mas well let us use a dry sump system, i seen the 2 rods come out of a ford a few years ago and not one drop of oil on the track, i have even been looking at putting a pan under the car, but all i can see is alum. going everywhere when it come down front a uncontrolled wheel stand, i know too many cars with these big pans that will be a problem, another question how ya going to drain the oil between rds, to pick it up, just look at Charlotte Stock and Super Stock final's both heads up, i have spend last year 1600.00 on a chiller, just to be faster cooling and also keeping any water for getting on the track, aka for ice cubes, just spend $750.00 on a Chute, when is this stuff all going to stop, i think i was crazy buying another Stocker last week. Guys and Gals i hope all these inputs help solve this problems

03-31-2010, 11:46 AM	#5
Dave Ficacci Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Jersey Posts: 372 Likes: 43 Liked 98 Times in 23 Posts	Re: oil retention devices How often will NHRA pull these diapers on a stocker to ensure racers arent hidng fabricated pans with kick outs, etc... __________________ Dave Ficacci 1013 STK 1170 SS

03-31-2010, 08:10 PM	#8
CBS VIP Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Commerce, Mi Posts: 1,387 Likes: 1 Liked 4 Times in 2 Posts	Re: oil retention devices My thought is let the diaper guy look at Brian's car....his looks like one of the worst cases I've seen....If the diaper guy says he can't do it...I guess it can't be done....Brian's car will at least speak for the many 69 camaro's...that should be enough to stop it....you would think... I think both will be at the Norwalk Divisional.... Actually I think Brian should put a stock pan on his car so the diaper fits and we stop breathing his exhaust.....lol Rock

03-31-2010, 08:24 PM	#9
Tom Meyer Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Pierce NE Posts: 936 Likes: 78 Liked 354 Times in 120 Posts	Re: oil retention devices I have been to a lot of races over the last 20 + years brackets, combos, divs and nationals and have broken a few motors a long the way which have never oiled the track knock on wood. We now can run aftermarket rods better pistons and the latest bearings. Most of us are not running 10 qts of oil or dry sumps. Nun of use wants to oil the track most of the time its just bad luck. Nascar have tons and tons of money in there motors and they blow up just like anybody else, they don,t have dipers, there on TV and have a fleet of sweeper trucks and jet dryers. Why are we such a problem the pros have caused more down time at one race than a years worth of sportman runs. We could have a honest poll on this fourum to just how many times one of us has oiled the track that has caused a cleanup of any kind. Tom __________________ Tom Meyer 5240 SS Stock ???

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