Connecting Highway

[Paul Precht]

Originally Posted by Ed Fernandez

George told me a funny story about how he had to hide the fact from his wife that it was a race car.He had it in a garage near where he lived in Jamaica (Queens) and told her it was a regular street driven car.Still has the car.Both he and it are in retirement.

Hi Ed, were you there at the E town Nats that misty Friday night when George almost hit the wall. Knowing how unmolested that one owner car is could anybody guess what it's worth, Paul.

[Paul Ceasrine]

FINESPLINE,
Absolutely correct. They were not 10.60 machines 'right out of the box'
like some people think.
Engines came through with Heavy-slug 12.5-1 pistons, and the stock Hemi .475 solid lifter camshaft. If you raced the car in 68' the way it came out the factory, probably 11.60's.
Heard some of the cars left Hurst with blown engines too!.
Paul

[hemicop]

There was another Hemi Dart in the NYC area. Aording the "Barracuda/Dart authentication Guide" one was sold to "Manhattan Speed Shop". I don't remember such a place but in the mid-90s I built a clone car, sold it & according to the buyer Buddy Martin, Don Garlits & someone else thought it was that car. Trust me, it wasn't. The point is there were/are more mysteries floating around about these cars & the fact NYC streetracers used them fogs the stories even more & only increases their mystique and what went on back then.

[Ed Fernandez]

Originally Posted by hemicop

There was another Hemi Dart in the NYC area. Aording the "Barracuda/Dart authentication Guide" one was sold to "Manhattan Speed Shop". I don't remember such a place but in the mid-90s I built a clone car, sold it & according to the buyer Buddy Martin, Don Garlits & someone else thought it was that car. Trust me, it wasn't. The point is there were/are more mysteries floating around about these cars & the fact NYC streetracers used them fogs the stories even more & only increases their mystique and what went on back then.

Manhattan Speed Shop was for real.The owner was Joey Doto (sp?) and his father
owned it.They had two stores.The one on W. Bway was mostly speed stuff and the one on lower 3rd Ave. was retail and dealer/repair shop supply.They did machine work too.A lot of cars racing on Long Island came out of there.The W.Bway store closed many moons ago.

[Paul Ceasrine]

cammer427,
From your Hemi Helper friend, Paul\
68' Hemi Dart; Code; LO23
68' Hemi Cuda; Code BO29
Good questions, and great thread going on here. The 'Brookyln Heavy'
Dart sure looks like the Mutt Brothers car. In 1971, lots of Hemi guys were going to the Tunnel-Ram and the monster Holley's, and abandoning the cross-ram with the 770 Holleys. Better atomization. So it is possible that the 'Heavy' car is one-and-the-same.

On Manhattan Speed Shop. Yes it did exist and they did sponsor a
72' D/G Vega (owned by R & R Construction) around 74'/75'.
The other location; Manhattan Speed & Power Equipment was located on 232 West Broadway.
As for other sponsors, Manhattan Speed Shop sponsored a Hemi Dart,
in 69' ?. I have a photo of their Dart versus Charlie Castaldo's SS/BA
car (his second Dart).

Amazingly, the only original Hemi Cuda that ended up in New York
(original factory order) was Ed Miller (SS/B) out of East Syracuse.
Paul,,,more to share

[cammer427]

Originally Posted by Paul Ceasrine

...
68' Hemi Dart; Code; LO23
68' Hemi Cuda; Code BO29
...

Thanks for the correction, Paul. I must have been having a brain fart at the time...

[cammer427]

Originally Posted by Paul Ceasrine

cammer427,
From your Hemi Helper friend, Paul\
68' Hemi Dart; Code; LO23
68' Hemi Cuda; Code BO29
Good questions, and great thread going on here. The 'Brookyln Heavy'
Dart sure looks like the Mutt Brothers car. In 1971, lots of Hemi guys were going to the Tunnel-Ram and the monster Holley's, and abandoning the cross-ram with the 770 Holleys. Better atomization. So it is possible that the 'Heavy' car is one-and-the-same.

On Manhattan Speed Shop. Yes it did exist and they did sponsor a
72' D/G Vega (owned by R & R Construction) around 74'/75'.
The other location; Manhattan Speed & Power Equipment was located on 232 West Broadway.
As for other sponsors, Manhattan Speed Shop sponsored a Hemi Dart,
in 69' ?. I have a photo of their Dart versus Charlie Castaldo's SS/BA
car (his second Dart).

Amazingly, the only original Hemi Cuda that ended up in New York
(original factory order) was Ed Miller (SS/B) out of East Syracuse.
Paul,,,more to share

Paul, I believe I may have found the answer to our question whether Heavy's '68 Hemi Dart was the same as the one owned by the Mutt Brothers. I came across a posting by jtower1969 on the "Brooklyn Heavy" Yenko.net thread where he mentions his father told him the Dart owned by Heavy was indeed owned by the Mutt Bros (I am assuming the Mutt Bros sold it directly to Heavy with noone else owning the car in-between them).

I'm sure I had read that post a while back but had forgot all aobut it. Here's the link (the post is fourth from the bottom):

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/ubbt...true#Post53311

[Paul Ceasrine]

cammer427,
Good History Hunting!!!
Oh so many moons ago.
Once Pro/Stock became the rage, the 68' Hemi Darts and Cuda's
were only able to run in Pro/Stock for 70' and 71'. 1972 it was over to A/MP or get cut up for Gas or Match Race trim. Not too many 68' Hemi cars were left in proper trim, after 1973.
As for 68' Hemi Cuda's in the Northeast.
1) Ed Miller (SS/B) out of Syracuse, NY
2) Bob Gaudreau 'Candy Cuda', out of Bristol CT.
3) John Macey 'Heads Up', out of Bridgeport, CT.
4) Phil Cerrone 'Harris Auto Sales', Gorton, CT.
Thats It!,,Some mystery Cuda's, but no complete documentation.
Paul

[Liteweight]

Originally Posted by Paul Ceasrine

cammer427,
From your Hemi Helper friend, Paul\
68' Hemi Dart; Code; LO23
68' Hemi Cuda; Code BO29
Good questions, and great thread going on here. The 'Brookyln Heavy'
Dart sure looks like the Mutt Brothers car. In 1971, lots of Hemi guys were going to the Tunnel-Ram and the monster Holley's, and abandoning the cross-ram with the 770 Holleys. Better atomization. So it is possible that the 'Heavy' car is one-and-the-same.

On Manhattan Speed Shop. Yes it did exist and they did sponsor a
72' D/G Vega (owned by R & R Construction) around 74'/75'.
The other location; Manhattan Speed & Power Equipment was located on 232 West Broadway.
As for other sponsors, Manhattan Speed Shop sponsored a Hemi Dart,
in 69' ?. I have a photo of their Dart versus Charlie Castaldo's SS/BA
car (his second Dart).

Amazingly, the only original Hemi Cuda that ended up in New York
(original factory order) was Ed Miller (SS/B) out of East Syracuse.
Paul,,,more to share

Bringing up an old post due to new info on my car. Paul, .head on over to my thread for the latest .
Paul, do you have this picture still available?

liteweight

[chris ok]

I think the Mutt Bros Dart was the SK Speed Dart.