Once again a bogus combination

[Jim Wahl]

Originally Posted by Evan Smith

Bruce, I'm not arguing the HP ratings, as no one would want to race against an underrated car. But where does that leave the other underrated combos that are seemingly obscure?

There are some very unhappy racers, but also quality cars/drivers who are giving it there all. One example is Shaul, who isn't afraid to drag that bad Wedge across the country and race no matter who shows up. He and many others, like Kenny, are going out to race. I'm sure you've talked to a lot of racers, but so have I, and I can find plenty of positive opinions as well the negative ones.

If Teuton put a stick in the Challenger and beat me by two tenths I wouldn't be happy, but I wouldn't be screaming on the Internet. Guys have had me by that amount or more in the past and I found a way to improve my car.

You believe that Stock will be 50 percent full of these cars and that is just not going to be the reality. You may feel that even one is too many, but I doubt that those who love racing and have a big investment in racing will quit because a few cars are faster no matter what the cause.

As for the AHFS, it will never be 100-percent effective until every run counts and the altitude tracks have a real adjustment with runs there counting, too.

Evan, I just have to ask, if Jeff put a stick in his Challenger and beat you by .75 would you feel the same? Do you think you could find a way to "improve" your car that much, without dropping a 427 in that is? Jim


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[Jeff Teuton]

Let me fix that . If I put a stick in the car, I can assure you I would run around 14 flat. However there is always Kevin.......... . I think Steve Kent has a couple Jerico's for sale, I got a Browell Can (never used from Top Stock) and a couple trick clutches (new also). Hmmmmmmmm. I don't think there is enough memory on Class Racer to handle that one.

[Jeff Teuton]

And while we are doing this, lets get the facts right. I hired Joe Friday, famous Dragnet detective to get 'just the facts': I ran a best at No Problem at the Cajuns of 11.01 in H/SA. I ran a best of 10.47 in SS/KA in Houston, qualified in the bottom of the field. I beat Vern Bucannon (probably mispelled, sorry Vern) from Arkansas by .004 in class at No Problem. The rest is testing, time trails, and other assorted BS that seems to overrun this forum at times from speculation, enuendo, and who knows what else. Just the facts. Anybody got any other facts, or speculations? And if you don't remember Joe Friday and Dragnet, you probably are too young to throw rocks at me anyway. Personally I'm glad for the factory involvement. GM won't be long before they are in the mess. Or maybe we should get NHRA to do like NASCAR and we all have one car, and one motor, and change stickers from race to race. Do you like Heads Up racing? Every Round? Every Race? Stock and Super Stock would shrink 75% overnight. Bruce, that what you want? No, then what do you want? And if 50 words or less. Greg, you get 50 words also. And anybody else gets 50 words. But not the same 50 words. I ran over 50, sorry. Greg, by the way, loaded the boat with Redfish this weekend, and had a couple beverages along the way.

[Evan Smith]

Jim, .75 off my best run in H/S is a 10.13, as I have run 10.88 in legal H/S trim. I don't believe Jeff's Challenger is capable of that. Of course, I could be wrong. He has run fast, but do you know for sure that the car was at legal weight? I know plenty of guys who yank weight on test-and-tune runs.

But, to answer your question, I would be unhappy.

Evan

[Jim Wahl]

Evan, thanks for your honest answer. 10.13? Yup, I believe that car is capable of that. OK, with that said, I have to admit I embellished a little. My best at H/SA weight has been 11.12 @ 118 in a mineshaft. Jeff ran 10.50 @ 127 in testing at the Cajuns. Thats only -.62 and 9mph better than my best. Jeff says he "only" ran 11.01 in H/SA class, but he forgot to say was he only ran 101 mph. I am willing to bet the farm when he was testing the day before the class race he was at legal weight, and he never denied that. At Houston,the car ran -.78 under (10.47) in SS/KA. In December that would have been -1.07 in SS/KA with a "Stocker" motor! 275 HP my ***! The point being NHRA needs to be realistic, or is there an ulterior motive here?

As I said before, I do not begrudge anyone for taking advantage of these highly underrated combos. If I had the money I might be tempted myself. What does tick me off is NHRA not even making an attempt to rate these cars fairly. Jim

[Mark Callanan]

Originally Posted by Jim Wahl

Evan, thanks for your honest answer. 10.13? Yup, I believe that car is capable of that. OK, with that said, I have to admit I embellished a little. My best at H/SA weight has been 11.12 @ 118 in a mineshaft. Jeff ran 10.50 @ 127 in testing at the Cajuns. Thats only -.62 and 9mph better than my best. Jeff says he "only" ran 11.01 in H/SA class, but he forgot to say was he only ran 101 mph. I am willing to bet the farm when he was testing the day before the class race he was at legal weight, and he never denied that. At Houston,the car ran -.078 under (10.47) in SS/KA. In December that would have been -1.07 in SS/KA with a "Stocker" motor! 275 HP my ***! The point being NHRA needs to be realistic, or is there an ulterior motive here?

As I said before, I do not begrudge anyone for taking advantage of these highly underrated combos. If I had the money I might be tempted myself. What does tick me off is NHRA not even making an attempt to rate these cars fairly. Jim

Jim
With all due respect I do hold it against the racer
Since NHRA wont police the class we as racers have to, and be honest as to how we race
And in this case he (jeff )wasn't
And thats why he is playing games he knows what he did
And it isn't working as racers a lot smarter then me are calling him out on it

[Bruce Noland]

Jeff,
After many months of work, we just completed our first stage of the paper work that may help put an end to this nonsense. Undoubtedly there will be more for us to do in the future. But, for now this problem rests in the hands of folks who are pretty good at cutting through murky issues.

Will post more on this issue in the coming months.

I trust your finger has fully recovered. Good luck with your crate motor car.

[Mark Callanan]

Originally Posted by Jeff Teuton

And while we are doing this, lets get the facts right. I hired Joe Friday, famous Dragnet detective to get 'just the facts': I ran a best at No Problem at the Cajuns of 11.01 in H/SA. I ran a best of 10.47 in SS/KA in Houston, qualified in the bottom of the field. I beat Vern Bucannon (probably mispelled, sorry Vern) from Arkansas by .004 in class at No Problem. The rest is testing, time trails, and other assorted BS that seems to overrun this forum at times from speculation, enuendo, and who knows what else. Just the facts. Anybody got any other facts, or speculations? And if you don't remember Joe Friday and Dragnet, you probably are too young to throw rocks at me anyway. Personally I'm glad for the factory involvement. GM won't be long before they are in the mess. Or maybe we should get NHRA to do like NASCAR and we all have one car, and one motor, and change stickers from race to race. Do you like Heads Up racing? Every Round? Every Race? Stock and Super Stock would shrink 75% overnight. Bruce, that what you want? No, then what do you want? And if 50 words or less. Greg, you get 50 words also. And anybody else gets 50 words. But not the same 50 words. I ran over 50, sorry. Greg, by the way, loaded the boat with Redfish this weekend, and had a couple beverages along the way.

Jeff
Spoken like a true car salesman
You went 10.50 I don't care if it was testing or not
It shows what that car can go
And as many have said that makes them want to quit
I have 15 k in my engine alone and over 50k in the car and I cant run within 7 of that
The car doesn't belong where you ran it and I will say what only one other person has said It is up to you since NHRA wont, you need to decide how and what you did to pervert and change the rules to slide that car in
Jeff you are a very long time racer doesn't it bother you what other racers feel about you?
Was it worth what you did to cause doubt in your fellow racers?

Spoken by someone who put way to much money in what I do to accept what is an unfair advantage by someone on the advisory committee
Jeff I am sure this will fire you up but please think on it before you post
What is your worth as a long standing class racer?