More on the new cars and crate motors.

[X-TECH MAN]

Originally Posted by GUMP

What about all the other cars that are shutting off at 1000', how should they be factored?

Simple.....use the 1/8 mile times and/or the 1000 ft times and adjust from those.....thats a no brainer. Problem is the stock and S/S "world" is relying on the AHFS and we all know thats not getting the job done. Its racer, weather, track altitude manipulated. The HP factors need a human, hands on input from a group (no more than 3) who are familiar and know class racing (stock and S/S) inside and out and who have no connection to a running combo. Some people who want to see better racing (no dumping and no "bracket mode" tune ups.) Some people who have no special desire to help or hinder a paticular brand of car or racer. Some people who can be firm yet FAIR and not show any favortism for the betterment of stock and S/S class racing. No.....I dont think I would want to do it (been there and done that with Top Stock) but I think I could with help from someone like Nitro Joe and his stats. It would take no more than 3 people so the factors and reductions could be done with a simple discussion and vote after reviewing the status of LEGAL cars after they have been certified. None of this AHFS crap like the E body Hemi guys had to endure a few years ago. The real problem is to get NHRA (and IHRA) to go for it. I doubt it would ever happen. My 25 cents worth.

[GUMP]

Originally Posted by X-TECH MAN

Simple.....use the 1/8 mile times and go from there.

So, why wouldn't you do the Challenger and Mustang the same way?

[X-TECH MAN]

Originally Posted by GUMP

So, why wouldn't you do the Challenger and Mustang the same way?

I would but I dont count......and NHRA wont. They rely on the AHFS......LOL.

[bill dedman]

RE "I would but I dont count......and NHRA won't. They rely on the AHFS......LOL. "


I feel sorry for their kids because they (the parents) probably rely on Santa Claus, too...

[Greg Hill]

Mark i appreciate the confidence in me to write such a letter but I don't think a form letter is the way to go. 300 of the same letter might seem a little odd. Everyone knows what needs to be said. That being said I will post later in the week my thoughts on this and maybe some folks can pick some ideas from them. Please don't cut and paste. Use your own words and thoughts.

[Mark Callanan]

Originally Posted by Greg Hill

Mark i appreciate the confidence in me to write such a letter but I don't think a form letter is the way to go. 300 of the same letter might seem a little odd. Everyone knows what needs to be said. That being said I will post later in the week my thoughts on this and maybe some folks can pick some ideas from them. Please don't cut and paste. Use your own words and thoughts.

I would think 300 letters saying the same thing shows unity
And that is one thing IHRA or NHRA don't want
And really until we have unity we loose and they win
I know we will never have an organization and they know that also but they don't want us anywhere near to one
Greg you have to understand many of us are plain blue collar workers and we don't feel comfortable writing letters for fear we wont work then right
A well written letter we can use I believe would help get people sending them
What do the others here feel about this?
Just imagine a letter that 80% of racers sent and what that would say to them?
Kinda makes you wonder what the power of us all together could do...

[ALMACK]

I think it a very exciting time right now for Stock Eliminator with all of the fresh late model body cars showing up and Ford stepping up with crate engines. Truly fun to watch.

As a fan watching from the dreaming side of the fence, I do believe these new "50 build" machines should be heavily factored or get their own class to help keep the traditional and long time used combos competitive.

Strangely, NHRA never approved my 2001 Mustang Bullitt for Stock (of which Ford made over 5,000 units) but they continue to approve a car/engine combo that only 50 were made ??

[Steve Williams]

Originally Posted by GUMP

So, why wouldn't you do the Challenger and Mustang the same way?

The circumstances are different Gump. Think about it. The new cars that have ruffled the most feathers, have not been factored yet and as long as everybody runs soft, it will take a little while to level the playing field. I looked at the numbers for some different combinations and incrementals to include DP's and CJ's and it looks to me that the DP and CJ in AA and A can whip anything out there if they want to. I emphasize the "want to" part. The CJ is no doubt capable of low 9's and 8's might be attainable if the track was good and the tuner turned the wick up a little bit. I know that some out there will not like me saying that, but it is my opinion. Underfactored combinations have been around forever. Just not this much. I am not bashing any particular combination, but the newer cars are the worst offenders. If you can win class running against some of these newer combinations, you may been given the win, or your stuff is that good, or your lucky. I won't go any further than that. This problem is not going away any time soon. You either have to accept that winning class is no longer feasible with your combination or continue to cry on deaf ears. The future of Stock doesn't look too good right now. If rumors are true about the Camaro, then there will be one more car that you can add to the underfactored or bogus category.