Guaranteed Purses

[THE LEGEND]

Jim,
I saw nothing in Tracy post about another race. Roxboro or KDS have never drawn a lot of cars for a combo. In fact nobody in the Carolinas have. I've never seen over 50. It's a shame the racers won't support it with fine promoters like we have here. At least the tracks are trying. If the combos go away you can only blame the racers.
That being said I have some thoughts why nobody shows:

1) No national publicity
2) No iron man
Like I always said " We race for jackets hats and trophys. The money is spent before we get it.
3) No contingency to fuss about not getting.
4) No Qualifying sheets
5) People like the multi day events. It's like they go to a party and hope a race breaks out.
6) No prestige
7) No NHRA/IHRA appeal.
8) I think another thing is still the economy. It cost a lot of money to go racing. In the southeast many of us have already ran 5-10 races this year. If you hav'nt won anything it's starting to be costly. Look at the entry list at the NHRA races now vs. 5 years ago.
I had a racer tell me he could'nt afford to go to a one day divisional race a wear his car out for the $1500 to $2000 he would get for a win. What makes you think they will come out for $1,000.

Fayetteville is having a combo this saturday. $3,000 to win with 75 cars. How many do you think will be there?

Chip Johnson

[danny waters sr]

Originally Posted by THE LEGEND

Jim,
I saw nothing in Tracy post about another race. Roxboro or KDS have never drawn a lot of cars for a combo. In fact nobody in the Carolinas have. I've never seen over 50. It's a shame the racers won't support it with fine promoters like we have here. At least the tracks are trying. If the combos go away you can only blame the racers.
That being said I have some thoughts why nobody shows:

1) No national publicity
2) No iron man
Like I always said " We race for jackets hats and trophys. The money is spent before we get it.
3) No contingency to fuss about not getting.
4) No Qualifying sheets
5) People like the multi day events. It's like they go to a party and hope a race breaks out.
6) No prestige
7) No NHRA/IHRA appeal.
8) I think another thing is still the economy. It cost a lot of money to go racing. In the southeast many of us have already ran 5-10 races this year. If you hav'nt won anything it's starting to be costly. Look at the entry list at the NHRA races now vs. 5 years ago.
I had a racer tell me he could'nt afford to go to a one day divisional race a wear his car out for the $1500 to $2000 he would get for a win. What makes you think they will come out for $1,000.

Fayetteville is having a combo this saturday. $3,000 to win with 75 cars. How many do you think will be there?

Chip Johnson

I'll be there. Ifigure maybe 30-40 s/ss. Hope i'm wrong and on the low side. See ya there Chip.

[THE LEGEND]

THere is a bracket race on Friday night too.
I will be there both days.
Chip

[Tracy Robbins]

Thanks for the congrats Jim and Joe. My point is the track operator is bending over backwards and genuinely loves stock and ss and is trying to help us grow...but, there are not enough s/ss racers w/in the 140 miles (2 hours 40 min. per mapquest) that seperate the two to make both locations successful if scheduled together. By the way, those roads on Mapquest go both ways, I've surely made my fair share of trips to Kinston. These cars are not top e.t. or footbrake cars that you regularly have 100 show up at all tracks on any given Saturday night.
That being said, hopefully that issue has been remedied by the new Sunday races at Kinston.
Now, do we need a larger guaranteed purse? Two day races? We had iron tree trophies last year, do we need those back? Any ideas?

[danny waters sr]

Originally Posted by Tracy Robbins

Thanks for the congrats Jim and Joe. My point is the track operator is bending over backwards and genuinely loves stock and ss and is trying to help us grow...but, there are not enough s/ss racers w/in the 140 miles (2 hours 40 min. per mapquest) that seperate the two to make both locations successful if scheduled together. By the way, those roads on Mapquest go both ways, I've surely made my fair share of trips to Kinston. These cars are not top e.t. or footbrake cars that you regularly have 100 show up at all tracks on any given Saturday night.
That being said, hopefully that issue has been remedied by the new Sunday races at Kinston.
Now, do we need a larger guaranteed purse? Two day races? We had iron tree trophies last year, do we need those back? Any ideas?

Well said Tracy. I agree .Maybe this will help car count in both areas. Congrats againon your win.

[THE LEGEND]

Tracy,
I like those iron tree trophys.
With all these combos popping up making me wish I had a stocker again. Can I run a Production class with my Hot Rod car. No interior-Fiberglass-Delay Box. I'm sure ya'll would'nt mind.
Chip

[Tracy Robbins]

Thanks Danny...Chip just because you have a hood scoop on your car doesn't make it legal for production super stock!

[Chris1529]

I for one would rather race these combos than the regular races. Less entry fee, and usually more payout. Less time, more fun, more variety of cars, etc.

[jim reynolds]

Originally Posted by THE LEGEND

Jim,
I saw nothing in Tracy post about another race. Roxboro or KDS have never drawn a lot of cars for a combo. In fact nobody in the Carolinas have. I've never seen over 50. It's a shame the racers won't support it with fine promoters like we have here. At least the tracks are trying. If the combos go away you can only blame the racers.
That being said I have some thoughts why nobody shows:

1) No national publicity
2) No iron man
Like I always said " We race for jackets hats and trophys. The money is spent before we get it.
3) No contingency to fuss about not getting.
4) No Qualifying sheets
5) People like the multi day events. It's like they go to a party and hope a race breaks out.
6) No prestige
7) No NHRA/IHRA appeal.
8) I think another thing is still the economy. It cost a lot of money to go racing. In the southeast many of us have already ran 5-10 races this year. If you hav'nt won anything it's starting to be costly. Look at the entry list at the NHRA races now vs. 5 years ago.
I had a racer tell me he could'nt afford to go to a one day divisional race a wear his car out for the $1500 to $2000 he would get for a win. What makes you think they will come out for $1,000.

Fayetteville is having a combo this saturday. $3,000 to win with 75 cars. How many do you think will be there?

Chip Johnson

Chip, i'm not sure about your post. Roxboro has had these races on their website most of the year and have been having these stock superstock combos for the past 5 years... so i assumed you knew they had them always on the 2nd sat...... I don't know about everyone else, but just the cost to field a stock or ss car anymore has hurt the participation numbers. We (in the 70's,80's and early 90's) had 80-60-30 cars on any ss weekend in that decade order. I've heard many times from the 90's forward from spectators "man, i would love to run class-just can't swing it anymore with a family" Me... the rest of you list you can keep, i love the competion of the sport.... outdriving and outtuning! I will be again thrashing another allnighter trying to debug my 57 on fri nite(fuel gremlins) to make Fayetteville sat. hope to be there and fast!

[THE LEGEND]

Jim,
I think we agree on one thing COST has hurt.

I remember in the 70's we ran you had 3 classes Stock, Super Stock/Modified, & Bracket. Usually Stock had the largest car count and the purse was usually $100 win $50 r/u. My daddy was running stock then and we raced 4 nights a week.

Bring your car to FMSP Friday night too. I will see ya on Saturday.
Chip