Car/motor/class question

Mike Carr · 07-12-2010, 10:22 AM

If the engine used, in a GT configuration, came with ram-air/hood scoop, yes it's permited. If not, then no. Case in point. 1998 Firebird with a 1997 LS-1 engine in GT = hood scoop allowed. 1998 Firebird with a 1969 Chevy 350/295 = scoop must be blocked off, or flat hood used. As ss3011 said, the weight break for GT/AA is 8 pounds, same as SS/EA. 4,170 pound GT/AA car, using a Race Hemi @ 500 HP. There are better engine options out there to use, I'd think. The 1970 Dodge 383 looks good, 330 factory, but NHRA rated at 304. Staci Smith has one in a '93 Daytona, runs 9.60's. Talk to Jeff Tueton, I think he and Sid Bonnecarrere use a 383 or smaller motor in SS/GT in a '68 Cuda, with the factory SS/AH-type hood scoop (I think it's a 360 in GT/FA).

65hardtop · 04-23-2011, 10:14 PM

What if I wanted to run this combination in a modified class? Anyone know if I can?

Stewart Way · 04-24-2011, 11:08 AM

You can run the car in modified, A is 7.5 X CID. Bob Marshall runs an older Dodge in Modified sometimes. It opens the scoop/intake to other choices as well as alum Mopar heads.
Think the single 4 race hemi is a post only in the Dodge but a post or hardtop in the Plymouth. Strange.
As far as the hoodscoop in GT , I was told by Bruce Bachelder that a scoop can't be added to a car, it had to be available with one so since your 65 hardtop was not available with a scoop you can't run a scoop in GT. A 383 shaker can use the scoop in the 68 Cuda and Dart but not the Valiant. Thats the last I heard.

65hardtop · 04-25-2011, 10:17 AM

Looks like it would have to be a modified class car. Doesn't look like it would fit any gt class. We have a motor and a car. We just need to put the cage in the car. It would probably be pretty slow for a modified class car though. But I really just wanna bracket race it. Not looking to win class. I'm guessing it would run 9.50's with that motor in it. Most mods run in the 8's don't they?

65hardtop · 04-25-2011, 10:19 AM

I'm not sure if it would fit mod either. Dang it!!! Looks like I'll have to build the 383 up for ss/ja.

John Lang · 04-25-2011, 11:14 AM

You might want to get ahold of Steve Wann, at Rettig Bros Racing ! Someone can get you the # ! Or you might call John Winslow, who races what your talking about, with a Steve Wann combo ! ........Good Luck,,,,,,,,,,,,John

Mark Madison · 04-25-2011, 02:34 PM

The car will fit in SS/D @ 450 Hp x 7.5 lbs with 1 850 Holley and I believe the scoop is legal.

Mark Madison
A/S 7995
65 Belvedere 1

Phillip marvetz · 04-26-2011, 10:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stewart Way

"Think the single 4 race hemi is a post only in the Dodge but a post or hardtop in the Plymouth. Strange.".

I believe it is post body only either way, Any body know different?

Stewart Way · 04-26-2011, 09:22 PM

Phillip
Not sure I'm reading the class guide right but for the 1-4 hemi for 65 Plymouth it lists the Belv I sedan 2 dr at 7.56 and the Belv II sedan 2 dr hdtp at 7.84. I take that as the Belv I is a post and the Belv II is a hardtop since it has hdtp in the description.

Phillip marvetz · 04-27-2011, 02:16 AM

That is the super stock factor. But I think that the body style listing has been changed in the last few years. When I started my A/SA car it was post body only.

07-12-2010, 10:22 AM	#1
Mike Carr VIP Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Enon Valley PA Posts: 1,650 Likes: 234 Liked 83 Times in 37 Posts	Re: Car/motor/class question If the engine used, in a GT configuration, came with ram-air/hood scoop, yes it's permited. If not, then no. Case in point. 1998 Firebird with a 1997 LS-1 engine in GT = hood scoop allowed. 1998 Firebird with a 1969 Chevy 350/295 = scoop must be blocked off, or flat hood used. As ss3011 said, the weight break for GT/AA is 8 pounds, same as SS/EA. 4,170 pound GT/AA car, using a Race Hemi @ 500 HP. There are better engine options out there to use, I'd think. The 1970 Dodge 383 looks good, 330 factory, but NHRA rated at 304. Staci Smith has one in a '93 Daytona, runs 9.60's. Talk to Jeff Tueton, I think he and Sid Bonnecarrere use a 383 or smaller motor in SS/GT in a '68 Cuda, with the factory SS/AH-type hood scoop (I think it's a 360 in GT/FA). __________________ Mike Carr, Tri-State S/SS Association President Looking for 2015 S/SS Race Sponsors Contact me if interested buffdaddy_1302@hotmail.com (724) 510-5912

04-23-2011, 10:14 PM	#2
65hardtop Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 18 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Car/motor/class question What if I wanted to run this combination in a modified class? Anyone know if I can?

04-24-2011, 11:08 AM	#3
Stewart Way Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Atlanta Posts: 476 Likes: 20 Liked 70 Times in 22 Posts	Re: Car/motor/class question You can run the car in modified, A is 7.5 X CID. Bob Marshall runs an older Dodge in Modified sometimes. It opens the scoop/intake to other choices as well as alum Mopar heads. Think the single 4 race hemi is a post only in the Dodge but a post or hardtop in the Plymouth. Strange. As far as the hoodscoop in GT , I was told by Bruce Bachelder that a scoop can't be added to a car, it had to be available with one so since your 65 hardtop was not available with a scoop you can't run a scoop in GT. A 383 shaker can use the scoop in the 68 Cuda and Dart but not the Valiant. Thats the last I heard. __________________ Stewart Way 2424 SS

04-25-2011, 10:17 AM	#4
65hardtop Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 18 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Car/motor/class question Looks like it would have to be a modified class car. Doesn't look like it would fit any gt class. We have a motor and a car. We just need to put the cage in the car. It would probably be pretty slow for a modified class car though. But I really just wanna bracket race it. Not looking to win class. I'm guessing it would run 9.50's with that motor in it. Most mods run in the 8's don't they?

04-25-2011, 10:19 AM	#5
65hardtop Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 18 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Car/motor/class question I'm not sure if it would fit mod either. Dang it!!! Looks like I'll have to build the 383 up for ss/ja. Last edited by 65hardtop; 04-25-2011 at 10:55 AM.

04-25-2011, 11:14 AM	#6
John Lang Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Sheboygan Wi Posts: 391 Likes: 0 Liked 6 Times in 2 Posts	Re: Car/motor/class question You might want to get ahold of Steve Wann, at Rettig Bros Racing ! Someone can get you the # ! Or you might call John Winslow, who races what your talking about, with a Steve Wann combo ! ........Good Luck,,,,,,,,,,,,John __________________ John Lang 365 STK, SS

04-25-2011, 02:34 PM	#7
Mark Madison Junior Member Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 91 Likes: 78 Liked 32 Times in 9 Posts	Re: Car/motor/class question The car will fit in SS/D @ 450 Hp x 7.5 lbs with 1 850 Holley and I believe the scoop is legal. Mark Madison A/S 7995 65 Belvedere 1

04-26-2011, 09:22 PM	#9
Stewart Way Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Atlanta Posts: 476 Likes: 20 Liked 70 Times in 22 Posts	Re: Car/motor/class question Phillip Not sure I'm reading the class guide right but for the 1-4 hemi for 65 Plymouth it lists the Belv I sedan 2 dr at 7.56 and the Belv II sedan 2 dr hdtp at 7.84. I take that as the Belv I is a post and the Belv II is a hardtop since it has hdtp in the description. __________________ Stewart Way 2424 SS

04-27-2011, 02:16 AM	#10
Phillip marvetz Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Lynden ,WA Posts: 820 Likes: 0 Liked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Re: Car/motor/class question That is the super stock factor. But I think that the body style listing has been changed in the last few years. When I started my A/SA car it was post body only. __________________ 2009 V/SA Record Holder

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