.90 questions from mars....

[Bill Baer]

"I heard that about the seeing whats behind you ? Who cares if you are dialed in and you KNOW youre dialed in, the opponent becomes rather arbitrary dosent it ? I mean your SINGULAR goal is to run as close to 9.90 as you can, opponent be dammed ? Right ?"

Well in theory your absolutely correct, but in the real world your first 9.899 loss will educate you quite quickly that you need to drive both ends of the race track. Even the most consistent car is subject to variation in the racing surface and the difference between the lanes themselves.
Also don't forget that you need to get there first (most of the time) and if your reaction time isn't better that the other guy and he's wheeling you (i.e racing you not the clock) he doesn't need a 90 to take the stripe.

[Chris "drooze" Wertman]

Hmmmm....

I understand sort of.

But.....Ok no I dont, I understand the variation and the 9.899 breakout. But whos to say hes going to be any more correct than you.

And what confuses me is the desire to hang back then drive to the finish first this really has my head swimming.

And the RT i Understand.....that as someone else said, were mere mortals, are MOST .90 races decided soley by reaction time ? If they are that might explain some of my confusion.

Originally Posted by Bill Baer

"I heard that about the seeing whats behind you ? Who cares if you are dialed in and you KNOW youre dialed in, the opponent becomes rather arbitrary dosent it ? I mean your SINGULAR goal is to run as close to 9.90 as you can, opponent be dammed ? Right ?"

Well in theory your absolutely correct, but in the real world your first 9.899 loss will educate you quite quickly that you need to drive both ends of the race track. Even the most consistent car is subject to variation in the racing surface and the difference between the lanes themselves.
Also don't forget that you need to get there first (most of the time) and if your reaction time isn't better that the other guy and he's wheeling you (i.e racing you not the clock) he doesn't need a 90 to take the stripe.

[C and W Racing]

The thing about .90 racing is a lot of decisions being made in a short amount of time. Most like to run big mph so that the race is playing out in front of us. We can see the opponent as well as the finish line. We are all human and we do miss the tree at times. What I try to do is WIN BY A LITTLE AND LOOSE BY A LOT. If we are racing and I am able to catch you before the finish line I will try to tighten the race up as much as I can, thinking I had a good light and I'm trying not to break out. If I feel like I can not catch you I will drive you as deep as I can and then get on the brakes before the finish line trying to break you out. If I can't catch you either that means I had a bad light or you are fast. Some times my car will just make a slow run and thats why I'm behind but most of the time it is running what I set it up to run. The reason I want to loose by a lot is look at how many double breakout races, the guy with the worst light wins because the other guy took too much stripe. When your car runs less mph it is much more difficult to be able to look back at your opponent and know where the stripe is
Thanks, Chuck

[Chris "drooze" Wertman]

Did you ever see FIght Club where Brad Pitt is being beaten by the Gangster and he saying do you get it now and Brad Pit is acting like wait, oh wait I ....nope....BAM...

Thats how I feel , maybe its from a 1000cc blood letting yesterday and my brain isnt up to snuff.....not that it is when I havent been bled, but Im gonna ruminate on this because Im thinking it must make sense it just dosent to me right now.

Thanks

Chris

Originally Posted by C and W Racing

The thing about .90 racing is a lot of decisions being made in a short amount of time. Most like to run big mph so that the race is playing out in front of us. We can see the opponent as well as the finish line. We are all human and we do miss the tree at times. What I try to do is WIN BY A LITTLE AND LOOSE BY A LOT. If we are racing and I am able to catch you before the finish line I will try to tighten the race up as much as I can, thinking I had a good light and I'm trying not to break out. If I feel like I can not catch you I will drive you as deep as I can and then get on the brakes before the finish line trying to break you out. If I can't catch you either that means I had a bad light or you are fast. Some times my car will just make a slow run and thats why I'm behind but most of the time it is running what I set it up to run. The reason I want to loose by a lot is look at how many double breakout races, the guy with the worst light wins because the other guy took too much stripe. When your car runs less mph it is much more difficult to be able to look back at your opponent and know where the stripe is
Thanks, Chuck

[Bill Baer]

Originally Posted by Chris "drooze" Wertman

Hmmmm....

I understand sort of.

But.....Ok no I dont, I understand the variation and the 9.899 breakout. But whos to say hes going to be any more correct than you.

And what confuses me is the desire to hang back then drive to the finish first this really has my head swimming.

And the RT i Understand.....that as someone else said, were mere mortals, are MOST .90 races decided soley by reaction time ? If they are that might explain some of my confusion.

If his package is better than yours (RT+ET) you will lose and vica versa but even if you have a slightly better light, if your off .01-.02 (9.91-9.92) there is room for him to make that up at the finish line.
The desire to hang back is strategic one if you can see your oponent and judge you rate of closure you can some what control the race or at least you can and have some time to make a decision on the flip side when your the slower car you may not even see the fast guy until the MPH light and you have very little time to no time to make a decision or to avoid a breakout.

Reaction time is critical but so is avoiding breaking out and a good driver can in some cases cancel out a reaction time advantage with some savy finish line driving.

[Rich Biebel]

Front Dump

Head Fake

Drop him off/hope he falls for it and get back on the pedal before he does

Took a cornfield worth of stripe ( I did that sunday afternoon bracket racing for the big L)

Gave it back

If your gonna .90 race you need to learn these terms if you want to be a player.....

[Chris "drooze" Wertman]

Im considering it......

Its a damm nice car.....thing is I dont know what a well built and perty SG car is worth. I do know what MY Chally is worth. Its easy its worth what someone will pay for it, and in my case the offers tell me the story.

First before I decide Ive got to understand it. I guess that was the purpose of this thread. If I dont "get" it or at least understand the reasoning of the strategy behind it, well I might as well buy th Farmall Ive got my eye on, and hang on to the Chally until weve got a DP driveline free in a month or so. Super Stock dosent hold as much interest as Stock for me. I dont know why it just dosent. To the more limiting the rules the more interesting. BUT there is no good combo for the 72 Challenger except the Slant 6 I actually like. Im not an LA guy so, never will be there are too many out there that last time they went drinking killed more brain cells of knowledge on LA engines that I will ever be able to catch up on.

So if its not oddball (and the new hemis qualify in my opinion because everything we are doing different is breaking new ground) well.....If I could get my hands on a Cherry 81 Challenger (mitsu) 2.5 Id be in heaven.

So, maybe SG is the route.....besides who said Im drivin ?

Originally Posted by Rich Biebel

Front Dump

Head Fake

Drop him off/hope he falls for it and get back on the pedal before he does

Took a cornfield worth of stripe ( I did that sunday afternoon bracket racing for the big L)

Gave it back

If your gonna .90 race you need to learn these terms if you want to be a player.....

[Bill Baer]

Originally Posted by rich biebel

front dump

head fake

drop him off/hope he falls for it and get back on the pedal before he does

took a cornfield worth of stripe ( i did that sunday afternoon bracket racing for the big l)

gave it back

if your gonna .90 race you need to learn these terms if you want to be a player.....

lol...............

[Chris "drooze" Wertman]

Originally Posted by Bill Baer

lol...............

It all becomes Moot as of 5 minutes ago, but I truly do appreciate the education, there is an issue that it will take me more time to correct on the car than I care to.

Oh well.....damm its perty though.

Guess Ill figger something else out.

[Bryan Gillespie]

Originally Posted by Rich Biebel

Front Dump

Head Fake

Drop him off/hope he falls for it and get back on the pedal before he does

Took a cornfield worth of stripe ( I did that sunday afternoon bracket racing for the big L)

Gave it back

If your gonna .90 race you need to learn these terms if you want to be a player.....

also : sun was in my eyes, squirter arm fell off, computer fart, etc............................................... .................................................. .................................................. .................