A case for aftermarket seats in stock

[Chad Rhodes]

Originally Posted by Woodro Josey

OK Dave, you lost me on that one, an aftermarket seat would warrant a 5hp increase?

he lost me too on that one

[Sean Kennedy]

The point he is trying to make is that while you guys are on here making this a big issue, making it sound life and death, if the seat came with a 5hp cost, you probably wouldn't use it.

IE: You'd take 5hp less before you'd take the grater safety.

[Dave Ficacci]

Originally Posted by Sean Kennedy

The point he is trying to make is that while you guys are on here making this a big issue, making it sound life and death, if the seat came with a 5hp cost, you probably wouldn't use it.

IE: You'd take 5hp less before you'd take the grater safety.

This too. Thanks Sean.

[Woodro Josey]

Let me clear this up right now, i could care less where NHRA lets you use an aftermarket seat or not. When i was on the the SRAC committee, i recieved a lot of letters asking for the seats and we forwarded it to the NHRA Committee and they turned it down. Now as for the 5 HP, i don't remember NHRA giving SuperStock Horsepower when they started allowing the seats. I took my ride on a head on collision and my seat held up, but there are some cars that the seat will not! Just like Presidents, some of you vote one way, some of you vote another!

[Chad Rhodes]

so Dave, did you take your 5 hp hit for wheelie bars, for aftermarket brakes, etc.? Maybe they should give you 5 hp off for having a cage, since you would add weight for that, and it would be toward the front.

[Dave Ficacci]

Originally Posted by Chad Rhodes

so Dave, did you take your 5 hp hit for wheelie bars, for aftermarket brakes, etc.? Maybe they should give you 5 hp off for having a cage, since you would add weight for that, and it would be toward the front.

No, but if they did, I would take them out. That's my point. I also don't follow your logic about how ADDING weight against the roof line for the cage in the interest of safety applies. That is probably the worst place in a racecar to add weight.

I like how you ignored my questions about the safety items. I'm guessing you fall into the group that runs NONE of those safety items..further proving my point that you want this enhancement for others reason than safety.

[Tony Janes]

I would say that Kirkey seats in a 69 camaro would save about 65 pounds. The question would be how much can one put in the trunk? The seats will make the car lighter even with the addition of the roll cage. Stock today is nothing more more than Super Stock with 9 inch tires, stock manifolds and stock lift cams. I think that Stock should have the same rules as Super Stock. Any rear end, transmission optional, roller rockers. None of this adds horsepower to the engine. In the case of the three speed vs a powerglide, it will make the car work better. in most cases. The big threat in stock today are drag paks and mustangs. Will NHRA do any of the above, probably not. While we are at this, lets add the 1955 to 1959 Chevys to stock.

[Chad Rhodes]

Originally Posted by Dave Ficacci

No, but if they did, I would take them out. That's my point. I also don't follow your logic about how ADDING weight against the roof line for the cage in the interest of safety applies. That is probably the worst place in a racecar to add weight.

I like how you ignored my questions about the safety items. I'm guessing you fall into the group that runs NONE of those safety items..further proving my point that you want this enhancement for others reason than safety.

I'll address your safety issues. Clothing, I wear everything but gloves. The A/SA car will get the cage and window net over the winter, not so much for the newly acquired I/SA, there is a full trans shield on the Vette, no diaper yet, but I'm not sold on those yet. I have very expensive full face helmet, however on a stock seat a HANS is mush less effective due to lack of a good headrest, according to a HANS rep at PRI.

As for another motive, sure I'd love to get my head lower in the vette, it's a tight squeeze. But the weight would be no advantage as we already run weight on the nose and have to run a second battery and 40lbs of lead to make even AA/SA. What's your reason for being so against race seats in a stocker???? Got a fortune tied up in a pair of Swiss cheesed lightened stock seats?

[Jeff Goss]

Originally Posted by Woodro Josey

Let me clear this up right now, i could care less where NHRA lets you use an aftermarket seat or not. When i was on the the SRAC committee, i recieved a lot of letters asking for the seats and we forwarded it to the NHRA Committee and they turned it down. Now as for the 5 HP, i don't remember NHRA giving SuperStock Horsepower when they started allowing the seats. I took my ride on a head on collision and my seat held up, but there are some cars that the seat will not! Just like Presidents, some of you vote one way, some of you vote another!

They allow the seats, but you must have a cage if you put them in. In my case, it's up to me to add the weight of a cage vs. the weight reduction of the seats. Seems like a wash in my case,.