Lack of integrity

[MikeFicacci]

The new cars are cool and do belong on the racetrack. I think the suggestion most guys are making is to put them in their own class until they get closer to a realistic factor. The Challengers just went 1.7 under the old index in 4,000 feet of air. That's probably over 2 seconds under the old index in decent air.

By the second round of class, the only cars left are the CJ/DPs. I really don't see how separating things for a few years is that big of a deal. There are close to 30 of these cars at Indy.

Secondly, I see a lot of people going after Danny Gracia or Bruce for this but knowing a little bit about how all this went down, these orders came from higher up the food chain. Also, you can't blame Ford or Dodge for submitting a low horsepower factor and hoping it gets approved. Who wouldn't do the same thing in their position?

The guys who have spent countless hours on their combinations are getting screwed by NHRA brass. There is no way around it. Our East Coast Stock Superstock races pull 40-50-60 cars/divisionals are almost always full. I say we get our own thing going if NHRA doesn't care about us.

[Bobby Zlatkin]

I agree with Mike F. Can't blame Ford or Chrysler or any of the car's owners.
Total responsibility for this whole fiascal falls on NHRA's shoulders and their "I don't give a $h_t attitude" toward those sportsman racers that have supported them all through the years.
Either get them (DP/CJ) in their own class or get the HP ratings right and this whole thing will be fun again.

[X-TECH MAN]

[QUOTE=MikeFicacci;

The guys who have spent countless hours on their combinations are getting screwed by NHRA brass. There is no way around it. Our East Coast Stock Superstock races pull 40-50-60 cars/divisionals are almost always full. I say we get our own thing going if NHRA doesn't care about us.[/QUOTE]

My suggestion is to email and/or call Alex D. and pester him.....lol. He will probably kill me for saying this. He really knows whats involved in something like this. We were heading this way a couple of years ago before the economy tanked. If it had been tried then it would have been financial suicide. Maybe the timing might be better this time around? Its a possability there might (and its a big maybe) be another USCN next year depending on how things work out. Ya never know ! There is so very much to consider and do with such an undertaking as that. Lots of details and liability involved. I know if Im involved the new stuff (DP's and CJs) will be in thier own class or have a bunch of HP tagged onto them if it happens. If certain ones can no longer make stock then so be it. Super Stock it will be for them. You cant have another INDY class race happen such as we all just saw. Id love to see some certain NHRA guys help out if it happened but its highly doubtful as in the case during the USCN #1. It was thier loss. Just my opinion and 2 1/2 cents worth.

[art leong]

Originally Posted by X-TECH MAN

My suggestion is to email and/or call Alex D. and pester him.....lol. He will probably kill me for saying this. He really knows whats involved in something like this. We were heading this way a couple of years ago before the economy tanked. If it had been tried then it would have been financial suicide. Maybe the timing might be better this time around? Its a possability there might (and its a big maybe) be another USCN next year depending on how things work out. Ya never know ! There is so very much to consider and do with such an undertaking as that. Lots of details and liability involved. I know if Im involved the new stuff (DP's and CJs) will be in thier own class or have a bunch of HP tagged onto them if it happens. If certain ones can no longer make stock then so be it. Super Stock it will be for them. You cant have another INDY class race happen such as we all just saw. Id love to see some certain NHRA guys help out if it happened but its highly doubtful as in the case during the USCN #1. It was thier loss. Just my opinion and 2 1/2 cents worth.

Well if there is another Class Nationals and you decide to write your own rule book. You can count me out (you probably would anyway).
The Class Nationals was a success right around the time all the belly aching was going on about the EFI cars. And the Trucks.
You talk about the new cars not being able to run stock if they get factored? Giving them 100 horsepower won't keep them out of stock, unless you rewrite the rulebook.

[X-TECH MAN]

See.... its started already with the mention of something. What would YOU do? Leave the mess NHRA started as is and just pretend the problem would go away? The best suggestion I have seen on here has been to let them have thier own class until things catch up like IHRA has done. Nothing EVER changes on this forum ! Just keep getting screwed and enjoy it. Have fun !

[art leong]

Originally Posted by X-TECH MAN

See.... its started already with the mention of something. What would YOU do? Leave the mess NHRA started as is and just pretend the problem would go away? The best suggestion I have seen on here has been to let them have thier own class until things catch up like IHRA has done. Nothing EVER changes on this forum ! Just keep getting screwed and enjoy it. Have fun !

Terry I'm not being sarcastic But where do these cars run in IHRA? I know they run seperate fuel injected classes. And usually they follow NHRA on the horsepower ratings.
Do they seperate the DP's And CJ's?

[Bruce Noland]

IHRA runs them in separate classes. Probably in some sort of computerized/injected classes.

[Mike Carr]

Yes, IHRA still has the old A/FI through M/FI classes, seperate stick and auto classes. Last July they added AA/FI and AA/FIA, for "2008 and accepted factory muscle cars only. No existing FI cars can remove weight to move to AA". 7.5 to 7.99 pounds/HP

Sounds to me like they need BB, CC, and DD/FI also, now.

[Alex Denysenko]

Last year we invited George Wright and Jimmy Ronzello to come race with us at the Martin IHRA national event. (he was runner up by the way)
Prior to the race George contacted Mike Baker at IHRA to verify a class.
At that time Mike Baker took the high road and immediately created AA/FI and AA/FIA for the CJ Mustangs with their own indexes.
Jim and George raced in AA/FI class.
He was quite adament about not allowing the new CJ's to run rampant in IHRA, yet also did not want to discourage anyone from racing one either.
Mike Baker did the right thing.

I assume that he will do the same for the DP and 10 CJ cars on a similar vane.

BB/FI or BB/FIA, CC/FI-CC/FIA etc.

To the best of my knowledge Ronzello has been the only CJ to ever run in IHRA stock and Roy Hill ran his 10 CJ in SS.
No DP's have raced in IHRA as of yet that I know of.



See link below.


http://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCSt...r2009#indextop

[Lee Valentine]

I believe if the CJ's and Drag Packs are given thier own class NHRA will promote the hell out of it and forget the rest of us or drop us. The answer is to just get the factor right.