??? regarding the SS/EX Toyota Scion at Indy

[art leong]

Originally Posted by FED 387

I understand what you guys are saying but by the rule book NO TOYOTAS exist in either the Classification guide or Engine specs--the rule book on page 131 specifically states that the car must appear in the guide---Have been following Mr skelly for a awhile quite an accomplished driver fabricator competitor--what about Honda & Nissan they are in there just not Toyota----is this an oversite???? not trying to stir the pot but everybody got all whacked outta shape about the 2004 Turbo PT cruiser BUT!!!!!!!!!!! it's in the guide----JUST NO TOYOTAS!!!

I probably read the classification guide as good or better than Bob Shaw or Bob Dennis. But I only read the Mopar stuff. The PT has been there for years. I've told a bunch of people about the gift. But nobody believed me.

[FED 387]

Art--- your not gonna convince me that car is legal!!! Page 162 under Body---Body MUST be on NHRA accepted body list--OK where is the NHRA accepted body list???? SS/MX beginning section hilighted in BLUE page 154 ---requirements & specs are same as Modified and Modified Stock-- Those both say NHRA accepted list---SS says accepted list----Where is the list that shows ANY Toyota on it---Sport comp or whatever it was called before had their own rules---NHRA has their own rules some may overlap but in this case they don't-That body/model of Vehicle or for that fact ANY TOYOTA is not an accepted car/body/vehicle whatever ya want to call it----IT IS NOT IN THE GUIDE SO IT IS AN ILLEGAL ENTRY--Go try to run a Mercedes in super stock or in stock or Modified they will throw ya out---- Not on the list not accepted sorry ya can;t run it see my point---Now they might approve it next week but this week its an illegal vehicle--Comp

[art leong]

Originally Posted by FED 387

Art--- your not gonna convince me that car is legal!!! Page 162 under Body---Body MUST be on NHRA accepted body list--OK where is the NHRA accepted body list???? SS/MX beginning section hilighted in BLUE page 154 ---requirements & specs are same as Modified and Modified Stock-- Those both say NHRA accepted list---SS says accepted list----Where is the list that shows ANY Toyota on it---Sport comp or whatever it was called before had their own rules---NHRA has their own rules some may overlap but in this case they don't-That body/model of Vehicle or for that fact ANY TOYOTA is not an accepted car/body/vehicle whatever ya want to call it----IT IS NOT IN THE GUIDE SO IT IS AN ILLEGAL ENTRY--Go try to run a Mercedes in super stock or in stock or Modified they will throw ya out---- Not on the list not accepted sorry ya can;t run it see my point---Now they might approve it next week but this week its an illegal vehicle--Comp

I have seen the list it was published on the NHRA web site when they ran the sport compact thing. The same list applies to the cars now in comp that used to run Hotrod
That car has been around for a while They have been to a few National events.
They deserve a lot of credit. NHRA used the record from the sport compact All Motor class for their index. Then they took 3 tenths (I think) off. How far under would most of the other cars be if their record was their index?

PS I think there is a Mercedes on the list I know there was a Lexus.

[FED 387]

Where can I obtain/view "the list"??? comp

[FED 387]

Regarding Comp Eliminator the only full bodied class that I can find that might allow a Scion vehicle with no restrictions is Pro Mod but any new body style must be submitted to NHRA Technical for approval ---all other classes say it "must be an NHRA accepted body " or they are restricted to a 2 door sedan or 2 door Hardtop--- or an extended mid size truck--- No SUV or pickup trucks etc.-- the Sport compact program had their own rules ya some were allowed to be carried over but Nissan/Hondas are in the guide NO TOYOTA is that's my beef--- IF A TOYOTA listing was in the guide I would accept that but NOWHERE either ONLINE or in NHRA rule book is there an allowance to run a vehicle that is not listed--------Furthermore are you aware of ANY other Toyota Vehicles competing in NHRA Super Stock or Stock??? If so how many and who are they???Comp 387

[Brett Brown]

Originally Posted by FED 387

Art--- your not gonna convince me that car is legal!!! Page 162 under Body---Body MUST be on NHRA accepted body list--OK where is the NHRA accepted body list???? SS/MX beginning section hilighted in BLUE page 154 ---requirements & specs are same as Modified and Modified Stock-- Those both say NHRA accepted list---SS says accepted list----Where is the list that shows ANY Toyota on it---Sport comp or whatever it was called before had their own rules---NHRA has their own rules some may overlap but in this case they don't-That body/model of Vehicle or for that fact ANY TOYOTA is not an accepted car/body/vehicle whatever ya want to call it----IT IS NOT IN THE GUIDE SO IT IS AN ILLEGAL ENTRY--Go try to run a Mercedes in super stock or in stock or Modified they will throw ya out---- Not on the list not accepted sorry ya can;t run it see my point---Now they might approve it next week but this week its an illegal vehicle--Comp

FED 387, you said it. Body must be on NHRA accepted body list. Call NHRA and ask for it! In the beginning section of MX, it also says with the following exceptions. Body is a part of the exceptions. This is the first year they have run the Scion, which I know for a fact they got it approved by NHRA, previously they ran a Toyota Corolla. They have been running in Super Stock for 2 or 3 years.
The NHRA accepted body list, isn't the only list that NHRA has and we don't (ie accepted crankshaft list).

[FED 387]

OK thanx guys---but do ya see my point here??? Maybe there is some" body list "somewhere---Comp

[FED 387]

Brett---1st sentence on body it specifically says for EX the very first sentence "Bodies must be on NHRA accepted list. No exceptions the other MX classes have a myriad of things but EX specifically says must be on the list---I want to see that list---Does the list say SCION or just Toyota??? comp