Extict A car...

[art leong]

Originally Posted by Barry Polley

Art, with all due respect can you cover 5 tenths or more with an 0 lite? Were those cars you are refering to factory race cars? No! I have more race attitude than you could imagine. Never said I quit, never said I was done searching for more power. The point is in the next two years there is now way the fastest REAL Stock or Super Stockers in the country can compete in the same class. Yes with some luck and great driving you will do OK but now, no way. If we had the money and the time my partners and I would have been there getting our rears handed to us. I know I am not alone on the subject.


Barry

I agree that these cars aren't factored correctly. But this is their first year and they will be getting 3.25 percent Tuesday. There are quite a few of them not just one or two. The AHFS will catchup with them, like it did for the FI cars. I just hope these guys run their cars for real and not to the 1000'
I was around in the "dartboard " days and believe me you don't want that back. Cars were factored and defactored for things that had absolutely nothing to do with performance.
This whole internet thing has brought out the worst in people.
Remember a few years ago when they wanted to ban guys like Biondo, Fletcher, Richardson, Emmons. Etc. The so called Professional sportsman racers?
Then the end of the world was near due to fuel injection.
Then last year a brand new Cobra Jet went out and won the Pomona race..
We will see who wins Indy. But whoever it is it will be because of driving. and car knowledge, not a HP advantage.

Exactly Art but double that 3.25% . The class is still a performance based eliminator. Unless someone runs into a heads up with a new car the best shoe polish and start/finish racer will win.


BP

[B Aceves]

Originally Posted by art leong

I agree that these cars aren't factored correctly. But this is their first year and they will be getting 3.25 percent Tuesday. There are quite a few of them not just one or two. The AHFS will catchup with them, like it did for the FI cars. I just hope these guys run their cars for real and not to the 1000'
I was around in the "dartboard " days and believe me you don't want that back. Cars were factored and defactored for things that had absolutely nothing to do with performance.
This whole internet thing has brought out the worst in people.
Remember a few years ago when they wanted to ban guys like Biondo, Fletcher, Richardson, Emmons. Etc. The so called Professional sportsman racers?
Then the end of the world was near due to fuel injection.
Then last year a brand new Cobra Jet went out and won the Pomona race..
We will see who wins Indy. But whoever it is it will be because of driving. and car knowledge, not a HP advantage.

Must coming from a guy who never has more than 2 cars in his class at a National
Last time I looked Heads up runs in the Elliminator do count. Guess you need no HP for that. LOL

[B Aceves]

Perfect Example Art, Last time I checked Brian is a Damn good Driver
This BS cost him a real good shot at winning
Car#-Driver(Opp'nt)-RT-----ET-- Speed-----Car#-Driver(Opp'nt)-RT-----ET-- Speed
4312 P.B. Candies 2523 Bryan Phillips
E3 ****WINNER**** 0.325 10.219 132.44 0.002 10.718 104.65
E/SA Dial: 11.70 (+/-): -1.481 E/SA Dial: 11.70 (+/-): -0.982
Prior rounds:
E2 (M Truman ) 0.092 10.248 0.018 (F Maiolo ) 0.037 10.854 0.024
E1 (R West ) 0.050 10.233 0.033 (W Lent ) 0.015 10.891 0.111
Qualified: #7 10.399 -1.301 #55 10.827 -0.873

Heads up race and Phillips nails the tree to no avail. Candies has a 0.325 light and still wins by 27 feet

[Mark Yacavone]

Originally Posted by B Aceves

Perfect Example Art, Last time I checked Brian is a Damn good Driver
This BS cost him a real good shot at winning
Car#-Driver(Opp'nt)-RT-----ET-- Speed-----Car#-Driver(Opp'nt)-RT-----ET-- Speed
4312 P.B. Candies 2523 Bryan Phillips
E3 ****WINNER**** 0.325 10.219 132.44 0.002 10.718 104.65
E/SA Dial: 11.70 (+/-): -1.481 E/SA Dial: 11.70 (+/-): -0.982
Prior rounds:
E2 (M Truman ) 0.092 10.248 0.018 (F Maiolo ) 0.037 10.854 0.024
E1 (R West ) 0.050 10.233 0.033 (W Lent ) 0.015 10.891 0.111
Qualified: #7 10.399 -1.301 #55 10.827 -0.873

Heads up race and Phillips nails the tree to no avail. Candies has a 0.325 light and still wins by 27 feet

Bob ,you beat me to this one.
I just want to add that Bryan was the 2004 Indy E/SA class winner, too.

[art leong]

Originally Posted by B Aceves

Perfect Example Art, Last time I checked Brian is a Damn good Driver
This BS cost him a real good shot at winning
Car#-Driver(Opp'nt)-RT-----ET-- Speed-----Car#-Driver(Opp'nt)-RT-----ET-- Speed
4312 P.B. Candies 2523 Bryan Phillips
E3 ****WINNER**** 0.325 10.219 132.44 0.002 10.718 104.65
E/SA Dial: 11.70 (+/-): -1.481 E/SA Dial: 11.70 (+/-): -0.982
Prior rounds:
E2 (M Truman ) 0.092 10.248 0.018 (F Maiolo ) 0.037 10.854 0.024
E1 (R West ) 0.050 10.233 0.033 (W Lent ) 0.015 10.891 0.111
Qualified: #7 10.399 -1.301 #55 10.827 -0.873

Heads up race and Phillips nails the tree to no avail. Candies has a 0.325 light and still wins by 27 feet

When I look at this It tells me the DP ran it out while the other car dumped.
He would not have won anyway but protected his index. He went .98 under the new index dumping. If you allow Glendora to adjust things I'm sure that would require an adjustment.

[art leong]

Originally Posted by B Aceves

Must coming from a guy who never has more than 2 cars in his class at a National
Last time I looked Heads up runs in the Elliminator do count. Guess you need no HP for that. LOL

You should read all my posts in 1980 at Indy when there were only 14 qualifiyer spots.
There were 5 cars in B/SA About average for that time. We were the 4th slowest. The hemi at the time was factored to 440 hp only 5 away from where it is now (everone says they are no longer competitive) Some cars had us covered by close to 3 tenths. We won the class, the eliminator, and the Grace cup.
I'll accept your uninformed apoligy.

[B Aceves]

Originally Posted by art leong

You should read all my posts in 1980 at Indy when there were only 14 qualifiyer spots.
There were 5 cars in B/SA About average for that time. We were the 4th slowest. The hemi at the time was factored to 440 hp only 5 away from where it is now (everone says they are no longer competitive) Some cars had us covered by close to 3 tenths. We won the class, the eliminator, and the Grace cup.
I'll accept your uninformed apoligy.

I will apologize if you took my post as a personal attack it wasnt... But that was over
30 years ago Art LOL things have changed a little since then dont you think? We
have a average of 5 cars in E/SA at a Div race now lol. How many cars were in E
at Indy this year ? I do understand anything can happen but nothing short of a blown motor in these cars would help.

[art leong]

Originally Posted by B Aceves

I will apologize if you took my post as a personal attack it wasnt... But that was over
30 years ago Art LOL things have changed a little since then dont you think? We
have a average of 5 cars in E/SA at a Div race now lol. How many cars were in E
at Indy this year ? I do understand anything can happen but nothing short of a blown motor in these cars would help.

I'm just stating that as long as these guys run the cars and not play games with lifting.
Things will work out. I commend them for racing the cars
Just to beat up on the new cars isn't a solution. Because this is racing and someone will always have an advantage. Remember there is a total vaccum of common sense in Glendora. I asked a question about running individual throttle bodies, and was told I had to run a stock throttle body. This is a pounds per cubic inch modified production motor.
And I was told I had to run a stock throttle body. Even if the motor never came in any car.
You really don't want these people making any more decissions than needed.
Something constructive would be to take out the 1000' clocks. It might make everyone run to the end.

[Alan Roehrich]

Originally Posted by art leong

I agree that these cars aren't factored correctly. But this is their first year and they will be getting 3.25 percent Tuesday. There are quite a few of them not just one or two. The AHFS will catchup with them, like it did for the FI cars. I just hope these guys run their cars for real and not to the 1000'
I was around in the "dartboard " days and believe me you don't want that back. Cars were factored and defactored for things that had absolutely nothing to do with performance.
This whole internet thing has brought out the worst in people.
Remember a few years ago when they wanted to ban guys like Biondo, Fletcher, Richardson, Emmons. Etc. The so called Professional sportsman racers?
Then the end of the world was near due to fuel injection.
Then last year a brand new Cobra Jet went out and won the Pomona race..
We will see who wins Indy. But whoever it is it will be because of driving. and car knowledge, not a HP advantage.

Art, this is their second year, 3.25% won't even come close to reigning in a car that can run 1.7 under the new indexes (AKA 2 seconds under last year's indexes) and they've added more cars. And at least Ford is making plans for the next two years. At this rate, no matter how well the AHFS works, or how often it is triggered, there'll always be another killer or three ready to hit the track with a bogus factor that'll take years to reign in.

Outside of guys who race every weekend, like Fletcher, Biondo, the Richardsons, Rampy, and Bertozzi, all guys I know well and respect, most average racers may only be in a position to win a national event maybe 5 times in their life, if they race for 10-20 years. So, when they draw one of those bogus cars heads up, especially in the later rounds when they might just be on track to one of those rare shots at a win, it is really huge, especially for them. It's not just that the bogus cars might win a race, it's that they can easily prevent someone else from getting anything close to a fair shot at it.