Lack of integrity

[Alan Roehrich]

I didn't see any of the Windsor based engines in that user's guide. Not in the user's guide, or wrong year guide?

[SSDiv6]

Originally Posted by Alan Roehrich

I didn't see any of the Windsor based engines in that user's guide. Not in the user's guide, or wrong year guide?

Is shown in the engine maintenance section.

[dwydendorf]

Originally Posted by Alan Roehrich

Yes, but until recently, say the last couple of years, the overwhelming vast majority of Stock Eliminator combinations started life as a running driving vehicle purchased as a complete motor vehicle from a dealer.

You are attempting to compare parts purchased in order to make a race car out of a production car to a pile of parts sold by an OEM that doesn't even start and run, much less move under its own power or pass any sort of DMV requirement. Keep stretching and reaching, you'll never get there, but the exercise might help.

Wrong, the Cobra Jets were available from Ford Dealers as complete running cars. They did not come with a vin tag but show me in the rule book where it says that all cars racing stock eliminator must pass a DMV requirement. The Drag pak cars may be a different story but the Cobra Jets could be driven but were not street legal, which is not a requirement for stock eliminator. Ford produced 50 plus cars, were available thru Ford dealers , were drivable at the time of purchase. It is hard to beleive that nobody complained about the rule for the oem's to produce 50 special units, even though it has been in the rule book since at least 1998.

[danny waters sr]

Originally Posted by dwydendorf

Wrong, the Cobra Jets were available from Ford Dealers as complete running cars. They did not come with a vin tag but show me in the rule book where it says that all cars racing stock eliminator must pass a DMV requirement. The Drag pak cars may be a different story but the Cobra Jets could be driven but were not street legal, which is not a requirement for stock eliminator. Ford prioduced 50 plus cars, were available thru Ford dealers , were drivable at the time of purchase, end of story.

No vin to prove the year model ,not needed so claim any year ? just asking...

[art leong]

Originally Posted by danny waters sr

No vin to prove the year model ,not needed so claim any year ? just asking...

I doubt you will get many answers on this one. LOL
A whole lot of racers just stuck their heads in the sand LOL
There would be a bunch of mad racers if NHRA checked vin numbers.
And most of them would not be DP's or CJ's

[dwydendorf]

Originally Posted by danny waters sr

No vin to prove the year model ,not needed so claim any year ? just asking...

The Cobra Jets have serial number tags where the vin tags are normally located. The 2008 and 2010 bodies are completely different, like the difference between 68 and 69 camaro.

Plain and simple. It's a factory race car. All the best parts Ford and Mopar could muster up are in these cars. Yeah it's cool and I am glad they did however in MY opinion they do not belong in stock. Are they going to let the old Hemi Dart/Cudas in stock? That was a factory race car. Even in SS they will be untouchable for quite some time. Guess we gave up the right to an opinion or vote with NHRA long ago......


BP

[Alan Roehrich]

Originally Posted by dwydendorf

Wrong, the Cobra Jets were available from Ford Dealers as complete running cars. They did not come with a vin tag but show me in the rule book where it says that all cars racing stock eliminator must pass a DMV requirement. The Drag pak cars may be a different story but the Cobra Jets could be driven but were not street legal, which is not a requirement for stock eliminator. Ford produced 50 plus cars, were available thru Ford dealers , were drivable at the time of purchase. It is hard to beleive that nobody complained about the rule for the oem's to produce 50 special units, even though it has been in the rule book since at least 1998.

Yes, and you and others still compare these new cars to L-88, ZL-1, and L-72 cars, which were street legal which was originally a requirement for Stock Eliminator. The truth is, until the rule was recently rewritten, most people assumed cars had to be street legal production cars to be allowed in Stock Eliminator. And for the most part, that was implied, if not outright stated, in the rule book.

[Randall Klein]

SS/JA and SSDIV, even though I don't have a dog in this fight, I certainly believe to complaints would still be loud and long even if GM threw a ringer in...'ya see, boys, it's the blatant unfairness that rankles most of us.....see Shaul rendered helpless, see Popora selling out, or howzabout Larry Hill having the gonads to make the western swing with a very good A/SA car, and once the stars were aligned for a big Stock Eliminator Victory (perhaps), a misfactored A/SA takes him out

Who's gonna make another circuit with an "at risk" Stocker, or for that matter will Paul Adams or Paquet travel to face the SS/BA Fords.....didn't we all enjoy watching Adams INDY race, and Hill's swing....that's gone baby...

What don't you guys get about shafting your existing co-racers? geeze

Hey, I love the new cars, and the mfgs support, but put 'em in the correct class...they are FACTORY EXPERIMENTAL......period!

[dwydendorf]

Originally Posted by Alan Roehrich

Yes, and you and others still compare these new cars to L-88, ZL-1, and L-72 cars, which were street legal which was originally a requirement for Stock Eliminator. The truth is, until the rule was recently rewritten, most people assumed cars had to be street legal production cars to be allowed in Stock Eliminator. And for the most part, that was implied, if not outright stated, in the rule book.

This is not the 1960's, 70's, 80's or 90's and gas is no longer available for 29 cents a gallon. Do you consider 1998 as a recent rules revision? Times change, rules change, and nothing stays the same as it was. Like it or not this is 2010.