What would you do with the current CJ and DP car situation?

[Dgal]

Originally Posted by GUMP

I know that you love to hate these cars, but they do make sense. Both cars fit the current rules. Both pass tech (when properly prepared). All the factories prepared cars in the same manner back in the sixties too. You just weren't allowed to change as much back then.

The power plants are where the arguments should really be focused.

Are you serious? The power plants have been the focus of the arguments. It was dwydenorf that was bringing up the rear ends. The critics of these factory race cars have been focusing on the power plants.

Speaking of power plants, how many 5.7 Drag Paks have been produced by the factory? How many 5.9 Drag Paks have been produced by the factory? If there weren't at least 50 then they don't meet the rules. I think there were at least 50 of the 6.1 to weakly meet that part of the rules.

Either way, why is it so hard for anyone to understand that these cars should stay in stock, but in their own class? This is such a simple solution and isn't a loss for one single competitor. I take that back. It is a loss for the competitor that feels an unlevel playing field is their ticket to the next round. There is no other justification.

Don

[Ed Wright]

The bodus hp ratings of the power plants ARE the focus of the arguments.

[Dgal]

Gump,

I will save you the trouble because I found what I was looking for. According to Jeff Teuton who I would trust knows about as much about these cars as anyone the production figures are.

6.1 90 units
5.7 7 units
5.9 3 units

Now tell me how the 5.7 and the 5.9 engine combos meet the NHRA rule book?

Reserved for 1960 or new model-year factory-production automobiles and some sports cars. Classified per NHRA performance rating as listed in the Official NHRA Stock Car Classification Guide. Only those cars listed in the guide are eligible for competition. All cars in Stock classes must be factory-production assembled, showroom available, and in the hands of the general public. A minimum 500 units of a particular body style must be produced.

OEM may apply for inclusion of any special production runs into the Official NHRA Stock Car Classification Guide. Special run must include a minimum of 50 units of an already accepted body style, need not be showroom available. Applications evaluated on an individual basis. Acceptance will not imply precedent.

Ok, there are a couple of glaring issues. One that jumps out is All cars in Stock classes must be factory-production assembled. The Drag Paks come partially assembled. The racer must complete the car.

The second paragraph trumps the "showroom available and in the hands of the general public." But the second paragraph also states that there must be a minimum of 50 units. Three 5.9 and seven 5.7 are a long ways from 50. You cannot combine them to get there.

These don't meet the NHRAs own rule book for Stock classification and the 6.1 doesn't since it is partially assembled. They are factory race cars that should be in their own class along with the Cobra Jets. Keep them in stock and I would be glad to dial against them.

Don

[Peter Ash]

First off:

This whole thread is filled by 10 negative people repeating their beliefs only!

Could they be called "Proffessional Whiners"

Secondly - You have to redefine "factory assembled". In todays world the factories are spread across continents, with many subassembly and contract assembly plants. Detroit is an assembly plant now , not a manufacturer's plant

Regarding the 5.7 and 5.9 Drag Paks, the guide you quote for the 50 car specialty run says "body style", Not "engine combination"

Read your own post's with your interpretations and you get what you want.

Have a nice day!

[Dgal]

Originally Posted by Peter Ash

First off:

This whole thread is filled by 10 negative people repeating their beliefs only!

Could they be called "Proffessional Whiners"

Secondly - You have to redefine "factory assembled". In todays world the factories are spread across continents, with many subassembly and contract assembly plants. Detroit is an assembly plant now , not a manufacturer's plant

Regarding the 5.7 and 5.9 Drag Paks, the guide you quote for the 50 car specialty run says "body style", Not "engine combination"

Read your own post's with your interpretations and you get what you want.

Have a nice day!

Peter,

It appears that there are more than 10 people that have a negative view of the status of these cars. The lastest count has it as 189 on this forum alone. Granted, there are 10 or so that are stating their beliefs and there are a few that are weakly trying to justify these cars. It is good for the entertainment value.

Your assembly analogy is quite entertaining. No matter where and/or how many plants it takes for a manufacturer to assemble a car, the Drag Paks don't come assembled.

You seem to be the one with reading issues. Engine combinations are special runs and don't impact the body style outside of scoops and the like. The rule books says "Special run must include a minimum of 50 units of an already accepted body style."

[Bob Pagano]

None of you get the point or the rule, stop bitchen about how many engines were put in that body. Ford has done the same as Mopar, built 50 or more cars and added a list of engines options for those cars and nhra has accepted it. You all can bitch all you want but it is not going to change. Are the hp factors off ? You bet they are, are the cars special built and need there own class as the FI cars did to get the hp close ? They sure do, so what now ? Stop bitchen and get on nhra's ***. I think nhra will make an attempt to fix some of this but I dont see it coming till after the season ends and who knows what they will do, maybe nothing. My 2 1/2 cents worth

[GUMP]

Originally Posted by Bob Pagano

None of you get the point or the rule, stop bitchen about how many engines were put in that body. Ford has done the same as Mopar, built 50 or more cars and added a list of engines options for those cars and nhra has accepted it. You all can bitch all you want but it is not going to change. Are the hp factors off ? You bet they are, are the cars special built and need there own class as the FI cars did to get the hp close ? They sure do, so what now ? Stop bitchen and get on nhra's ***. I think nhra will make an attempt to fix some of this but I dont see it coming till after the season ends and who knows what they will do, maybe nothing. My 2 1/2 cents worth

Bob,

We are in total agreement. I think that the NHRA knows that they have allowed something that has gotten out of hand. Some rumors say that they plan to fix it. Maybe if they get a few more respectfull requests from racers they will actually do something that will make the majority happy.

Take Care,

Daren

PS. How old do you have to be to get the extra 1/2 cents?

[Bob Pagano]

65 !

[GUMP]

Originally Posted by Bob Pagano

65 !

Well that's just not fair. You old people get everything!

[X-TECH MAN]

Originally Posted by GUMP

Bob,

We are in total agreement. I think that the NHRA knows that they have allowed something that has gotten out of hand. Some rumors say that they plan to fix it. Maybe if they get a few more respectfull requests from racers they will actually do something that will make the majority happy.

Take Care,

Daren

PS. How old do you have to be to get the extra 1/2 cents?

Older than dirt !