Consensus By Professional Engine Builders

Dgal · 10-06-2010, 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Smitty

How many races other than class have the new cars won? I mean the class winner does not determine who wins the championship correct?
Someone also mentioned that Jimmy Defrank has not commented on the sublect because he is working on his combination. Jimmy Defrank has a new 2010 Cobra Jet car guys so I guess he wanted to cover all the bases; he's got a fast Chevy and superfast Ford when he wants to obliterate to the competition. I really don't understand all the fuss though because although the new cars did win some of the class honors at Indy they didn't take all of them; Todd Patterson had the field covered at Indy but didn't win class so there is an example of the fastest car doesn't always win.

Calvert won the debut with his Cobra Jet at the Winternationals a couple of years ago. I think Fezell won recently, but I am fuzzy on that.

Don

Dgal · 10-06-2010, 11:00 AM

Here is a link to a good article on Calvert's win. Not to take away from his win, because John Calvert is an excellent driver and no heads up runs. He was the number two qualifier at 1.17 under (the old index) in A/S.

Calvert's Winternationals Win

This quote that rubs it in the face of people that have been working on their combo for years just to see one qualify number 2. From the article:

"I couldn't be happier for Brent Hajek and John Calvert who have taken the car that we designed, and created a championship race car in just six weeks," said Brian Wolfe, Director of Ford North America Motorsports. "

Don

X-TECH MAN · 10-06-2010, 11:12 AM

And to think you NHRA racers used to complain about the IHRA "Crate Motored" cars..........LOL. At least they ALWAYS ran from the very begining in their own class and off their own index's and they havent invaded Super Stock. .

Robert Swartz · 10-06-2010, 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by X-TECH MAN

And to think you NHRA racers used to complain about the IHRA "Crate Motored" cars..........LOL. At least they ALWAYS ran from the very begining in their own class and off their own index's and they havent invaded Super Stock. .

Yep, since NHRA won't adopt this class. I'll probably never again race at Indianapolis. Which is only 30 miles or so north of my home. Sure bet I'll never grace the field at the points meet or the US Nationals again.

Robert Swartz

RPinoski1 · 10-06-2010, 07:25 PM

Hey Tommy Boy!

You didn't mention that Jimmy D has a mustang.

paul · 10-07-2010, 04:16 PM

So i guess someone should have told John Armstrong not to bother showing up for class at the US Nationals with his 1969 SS/AA corvette since he could only qualify third in that class behind two of the new cars. Oops wait a minute he did win class!!! I guess thats why we race on the track and not on paper!!

Mike Fahie

Dgal · 10-07-2010, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by paul

So i guess someone should have told John Armstrong not to bother showing up for class at the US Nationals with his 1969 SS/AA corvette since he could only qualify third in that class behind two of the new cars. Oops wait a minute he did win class!!! I guess thats why we race on the track and not on paper!!

Mike Fahie

You are absolutely correct! But there is more to the story and paper didn't apply in your example. Downing looked like he broke according to DRC and Hopkins went red by .005 against Armstrong. By the way Hopkins ran a 8.601 @ 155.97 to Armstrong's 8.836 @ 150.25.

Don

Bruce Noland · 10-10-2010, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by paul

So i guess someone should have told John Armstrong not to bother showing up for class at the US Nationals with his 1969 SS/AA corvette since he could only qualify third in that class behind two of the new cars. Oops wait a minute he did win class!!! I guess thats why we race on the track and not on paper!!

Mike Fahie

Yes he won, but it was a complete fluke. Both of the new cars in the class had starting line issues and the crowd went wild when they lost. But, just like you, we all knew the truth and so did John. I spoke to him at Indy.

Dion Hildebrandt · 10-06-2010, 11:12 AM

http://www.competitionplus.com/drag-...et-controversy

Another article that seems apporopriate

Larry Hill · 10-06-2010, 11:42 AM

Look at live timing of the new cars in a heads up race. Notice the mph difference at the 1/8 mile. Nothing, not even positive thinking, will make up a three to four or more mph. Most of the new cars run 200 lbs or more heavy. Look at Jeggs vs. Fletcher at A/SA in St Louis or Chicago during final eliminations.

Its a physics problem. The laws of physics do not change.

10-06-2010, 11:00 AM	#2
Dgal Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 169 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Consensus By Professional Engine Builders Here is a link to a good article on Calvert's win. Not to take away from his win, because John Calvert is an excellent driver and no heads up runs. He was the number two qualifier at 1.17 under (the old index) in A/S. Calvert's Winternationals Win This quote that rubs it in the face of people that have been working on their combo for years just to see one qualify number 2. From the article: "I couldn't be happier for Brent Hajek and John Calvert who have taken the car that we designed, and created a championship race car in just six weeks," said Brian Wolfe, Director of Ford North America Motorsports. " Don

10-06-2010, 11:12 AM	#3
X-TECH MAN Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Lake Placid, Florida Posts: 3,203 Likes: 1,047 Liked 235 Times in 110 Posts	Re: Consensus By Professional Engine Builders And to think you NHRA racers used to complain about the IHRA "Crate Motored" cars..........LOL. At least they ALWAYS ran from the very begining in their own class and off their own index's and they havent invaded Super Stock. . Last edited by X-TECH MAN; 10-06-2010 at 11:14 AM.

10-06-2010, 07:25 PM	#5
RPinoski1 Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: PLACERVILLE, CA Posts: 182 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Consensus By Professional Engine Builders Hey Tommy Boy! You didn't mention that Jimmy D has a mustang.

10-07-2010, 04:16 PM	#6
paul Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 7 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Consensus By Professional Engine Builders So i guess someone should have told John Armstrong not to bother showing up for class at the US Nationals with his 1969 SS/AA corvette since he could only qualify third in that class behind two of the new cars. Oops wait a minute he did win class!!! I guess thats why we race on the track and not on paper!! Mike Fahie

10-06-2010, 11:12 AM	#9
Dion Hildebrandt Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: calgary alberta canada Posts: 383 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Consensus By Professional Engine Builders http://www.competitionplus.com/drag-...et-controversy Another article that seems apporopriate __________________ Dion Hildebrandt 6009 STK H/SA

10-06-2010, 11:42 AM	#10
Larry Hill Live Reporter Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Hickory, Ky Posts: 10,648 Likes: 1,941 Liked 10,758 Times in 2,236 Posts	Re: Consensus By Professional Engine Builders Look at live timing of the new cars in a heads up race. Notice the mph difference at the 1/8 mile. Nothing, not even positive thinking, will make up a three to four or more mph. Most of the new cars run 200 lbs or more heavy. Look at Jeggs vs. Fletcher at A/SA in St Louis or Chicago during final eliminations. Its a physics problem. The laws of physics do not change. __________________ IHM Used Parts https://ihmusedparts.com 888-821-1817

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