2011 Stock/Super Stock Rule Changes

[Chad Rhodes]

Originally Posted by bill dedman

When you're in the final for the money, and your first-to-leave redlight is less than your opponent's, I hope you guys still think this is hilarious when he collects what SHOULD have been your winnings....

Well if I left first and red-light, I didn't deserve to win, regardless of the guy in the other lane

[countrypuppy4865]

Chad, you have an excellent point. When I go bracket racing I am the slower car the majority of the time. So, I learned if
I go red I go home. So, bottom line just don't go red. Nobody says anything about when I faster car is spotting a slower car by 5 seconds.

[bill dedman]

Originally Posted by countrypuppy4865

Chad, you have an excellent point. When I go bracket racing I am the slower car the majority of the time. So, I learned if
I go red I go home. So, bottom line just don't go red. Nobody says anything about when I faster car is spotting a slower car by 5 seconds.

What is there about being the first car to leave that makes you willing to give the guy in the other lane a free ride to the winner's circle just because you happened to redlight first?

BOTH cars need to have an equal chance to redlight, I think.... otherwise it's an unfair system that fails to put both cars at risk of a redlight, and if that's a good thing, please tell me what's good about such an inequity.

To say "Just don't redlight" is like saying, "Just don't lose." Unrealistic... IMHO.

Still haven't seen posted here a good, logical reason not to change this (like they changed to a worse breakout rule, years ago.)

Thanks for your comments!!!

[Jeff Lee]

As a typically faster car, I think it is UNFAIR that I have to sit there watching your car go down the track heading for mid track by the time my light says "go"! My God, some of these cars are so damn slow my clutch pedal leg is shakin', sweat is pouring out of my helmet, my thumb is quiverin' against the line-lock button and my hear rate is over the reline.
And for that 2-4 second wait, my throttle is over 5K, my water and oil temps are climbin', the rockers might have lost their adjustment (because roller rockers would ruin Stock!!!) and my slicks may have gained pressure as the sun beat down on them awhile longer.
Ad to that the barometric pressure probably changed a few tenths!!! The planet probably rotated a measurable amount while I wait for my go light.
And then once I got going, assuming I didn't red light with all that wait / worry / anticipation, I have to catch the slow car that has a 1/8 mile head start on me and work out a strategy to overtake him with a 25 MPH difference and use twice the braking power to avoid a break-out.
geez, the more I think about it, we should demand all heads up runs. That is THE ONLY WAY TO BE FAIR. Makes sense to me!

[Bill Grubbs]

I think both cars should leave at the same time. Just think...same start...run off a dial...first red loses...flat out to the finish line...best package wins...AND...no braking (heck if you touched the brakes you would probably lose anway)...no game playing...NO WHINERS!

[Super Sport]

If you are so adamant about changing rules, why not just DQ both cars if they both redlight. Neither one should deserved to win anyway.

Seriously though, there is no way the redlight rule is ever going to change. Give it a rest and move on so real rule changes can be discussed.

[Chad Rhodes]

Originally Posted by countrypuppy4865

Chad, you have an excellent point. When I go bracket racing I am the slower car the majority of the time. So, I learned if
I go red I go home. So, bottom line just don't go red. Nobody says anything about when I faster car is spotting a slower car by 5 seconds.

exactly. If I go red, I wasn't on my game and deserve to go home, whether it be first round or final round. If he red lit worse than me............oh well I gave him one. Had I not been red I would have gotten the freebie.

BTW thanks for dropping that converter off to Pat yesterday. Gonna try it out tomorrow night

[danny waters sr]

That's why you get a reaction time on your slip. I gotta a better idea ........... Don't show nothing but your et and speed like the old days. If they were not showing reaction times now this would not even be a subject matter. I vote leave it alone and i am one of the slower cars out there. Maybe someone will come up with a new dragracing game with worst red light and we can PLAY that. Just my -.02 worth

[art leong]

Originally Posted by danny waters sr

That's why you get a reaction time on your slip. I gotta a better idea ........... Don't show nothing but your et and speed like the old days. If they were not showing reaction times now this would not even be a subject matter. I vote leave it alone and i am one of the slower cars out there. Maybe someone will come up with a new dragracing game with worst red light and we can PLAY that. Just my -.02 worth

I agree with you. Leave it alone.
Back in the old days (when you could get 4 or 5 time runs. We would stage the car at an angle. Then straighten it out till we got a red then add just a bit. It worked back then Buster didn't like it much, I remember once Jerry Stein was staged so crooked he was pointing at the tree. Not many people back then knew once the first car redlit the second car could leave at any point in the tree and the lights would keep coming down to a green.
We shook a lot of people up by leaving on the second (out of 5) amber. The catching the car and just blipping it to stay ahead. Rumors abounded that we could run well into the tens LOL.
Without those rumors we would not have won Indy in 1980

[Bobby Fazio]

HAHA Jeff Lee your post was classic! I definitely know the feeling of the left leg going numb, the right thumb feeling like the line lock button is piercing through it, etc. Why are you bringing the Rs up before your top yellow comes on though?

Anyway, I have to disagree with you and stand behind my original post. I also think Bill D is making perfect sense here! And to the modest fellow who says "I shouldn't have went red so I deserved to lose" is being a little too modest.

Here is the best I can do, here it is in stat terms and I promise you will not hear anything out of me on this topic anymore. We will use discrete probability and analyze our sample space of four possible outcomes: both drivers green, first guy green and second guy red, first guy red and second guy green, both drivers red. In order for an event to be a "fair" event in the world of probability, all possible outcomes but possess equal probability, in this case each of the 4 outcomes should have a probability of 1/4 or .25. With our current system, the first two scenarios possess a probability of .25 (Probability of first guy going green = .5 AND probability of second guy going green = .5 so we multiply these to get a probability of .25 for this outcome. Same calculation for second outcome)

However, the third scenario possesses a probability of 1/2 or .5. (Probability of first guy going red = .5 AND probability of second guy going green = 1 since he/she has already won. Multiply these and we get .5). The probability of the last event is actually 0 because currently it can't happen and we revert to scenario 3. Since each outcome doesn't have the same probability, this event fails the "fair" event test. Conclusion: The first driver to leave is 25% more likely to lose the race on the starting line than the second driver. Sounds like an awful lot to me! Alright I'm a nerd, look what school has done to me..