2011 Stock/Super Stock Rule Changes

[Ed Wright]

Bill, do you really think all this carrying on is going to change anything? Really? Do you just like to argue? I only have a low ten second car, so most always leave first. I'm fine like it is. I don't remember loosing a race that way anyway. If I do, I should have not gone red. I'm not going to blame somebody else.

[ken robinson]

Any word on after market small bore bigblock chevy yet . Would it be a good idea to start a list of people who would like to purchase them so they can get casted and sold (50 vs 100 blocks etc ) to make it a good deal for the casting company as well as the racer ???? Ken R

[Alan Roehrich]

Originally Posted by ken robinson

Any word on after market small bore bigblock chevy yet . Would it be a good idea to start a list of people who would like to purchase them so they can get casted and sold (50 vs 100 blocks etc ) to make it a good deal for the casting company as well as the racer ???? Ken R

The list is here, on page 89.

http://www.nhra.com/userfiles/file/N...roducts-13.pdf

And Dart, the accepted manufacturer, rarely, if ever, offers deals.

[bill dedman]

Ed, if you think this rule as is stands, is fair, why don't you tell me why?

Don't you think that with all the time and money spent on this activity, it would be nice to have a level playing field?

You don't, you know.

Anything else is not fair.

This bulletin board exists for people like me, to post their opinions, and that is what I have done This is just my opinion. If you disgree, you could at least tell me what is wrong with mine. You'd rather tell me what you think is wrong with ME... which is not the subject at all.

When something is so blatantly unfair a first redlight rule, it's really hard to justify keeping it. Reasons to do so are few and far between. In fact, with all the notes you have sent me on this subject, I have never read a good reason to keep such an unfair rule.

Now's your chance: What are your reasons (or, reason) to keep a rule that screws virtually half the peope who race under it?

Tell me.... please, why you think everyone should not have the same chance to redlight in EVERY race.

Since I don't race a class-legal car, you seem to think I should have NO OPINION on it, but as NHRA goes, so goes the rest of the race tracks, procedurally. That means while you're getting screwed with your class car, I'm ALSO getting screwed by this rule in my Bracket car. I want it changed because there's just no reason NOT to.

BTW, both of my race cars are "new" and are in the shakedown phase; one is suprcharged V8, and one is an inline six with a turbo. LOTS of "shakedown."

[bill dedman]

Originally Posted by Ed Wright

Bill, do you really think all this carrying on is going to change anything? Really? Do you just like to argue? I only have a low ten second car, so most always leave first. I'm fine like it is. I don't remember loosing a race that way anyway. If I do, I should have not gone red. I'm not going to blame somebody else.

Ed. you have your opinion; I have mine. No, I don't think this will ever change, partly because of people like you, who are satisfied with the lopsided nature of this situation.

I'd like the guy in the other lane to have the same opportunity to redlight that I did. If I redlight first, he has no such opportunity. This gives him a free ride to the next round.
If you're the first car to leave, you'll face this jeopardy and fall victim to it more often than your quicker opponent.

What's fair about that?

Tell me...

I'll bet you can't.... because it's NOT fair. Nor is it necessary, in 2010. The couldn't fix it in 1963 when they fixed the first to breakout rule, but they can, now.

Why not do it???

[ken robinson]

Thanks Alan for the link . And you are dead on about Dart . Its to bad there block is only for the 427 and 454 racers and the 396 and 402 guys are still left out . Ken R ...

[Ed Fernandez]

Last try.YOU are a bracket racer.We race S/SS.We live by these rules.If you don't like it
tough *****.YOU are a bracket racer.Go break the track owners ball$ where you race about changing it.We don't go on the bracket racing section and instigate what goes on in bracket racing.
Your head must be made out of concrete.You just don't get it.
And no,I won't answer any of your questions.For you it's a moot subject.Get and race a class car and maybe more people on here will be more responsive to your red light rage.

[Ed Wright]

Bill, I feel like the 1st red light rule balances out the distraction of the slower car leaving. Whoever posted about the faster car being able to cure that with a "BLINDER" either does not actually race or has not actually used a blinder. You could not (nor would not want to) use a blinder large enough to completely block out the other lane & car. Tech guys would never let it by even if anybody was stupid enough to try one. Hopefully that was meant as a joke. I leave last some of the time, I don't prefer it. I'm cool like it is. If you loose a lot of bracket races due to 1st red lights you might want to work on your driving.

[bill dedman]

Ed (F.), of course you don't want to answer "any more questions" because you can't.

You never did answer what is fair about a rule that can remove the red light jeopardy from the second car to leave (IF the first car redlights), and why such a lopsided rule should stay, since it's so easy to fix..... and if you can't answer that, then you have no argument.

Do you think that because you run a class car and I run a bracket car, your opinion is any more valid than mine? It's not. The reason it's not is that the procedures involved in staging, and starting a Stock and/or Bracket race, and the resultant red light system vagaries are IDENTICAL.

So, now, tell me how my opinion should carry any less weight than yours?

At least, Ed Wright pointed out a reason for this lopsided situation; he thinks it offsets the "clean tree" that sometimes, the slower car gets. How about when two cars race, and the difference in their dial-ins is just a few hundredths of a second? Where's the "clean tree", then?

It doesn't exist, in that case, but the first redlight rule stays....

Try again, Mr. Wright... that one only works part of the time.

[art leong]

Is this the "kinder gentler" Ed?
I always leave first, And it would be a benefit for me for them to put in a worst redlight rule. BUT.
I have under $20,000 in my whole race operation. Not counting my towing stuff.
I race against cars that have more than that in their motors alone.
If I race a slow superstocker I'm probably in the line of sight with their tree.
If I'm racing a fast superstocker they have to wait about 4 full seconds.
Then come at me on the other end 50 mph faster than me.
It's not a perfect world. But the rule was that way before I built the car,
So as far as I'm concerned leave it alone.