2011 Stock/Super Stock Rule Changes

[Ed Wright]

Doesn't matter what you think anyway Bill, it's not going to change. I think you just like to argue and have the attention.

[Adger Smith]

I just don't see what the big deal is about the red light. We have raced with it the way it is for about 4 decades. What? We aren't accustomed to it? We don't know what the rule is? OH! we want to change something to confuse the few fans we have left in the stands.
I think I've heard more fast guys say "I just couldn't wait" than the slow guy say they couldn't wait on the tree. So who really has the advantage on the tree? Fast or slow it's usually not the guy with his head in his A**... that has the advantage. Isn't it usually your own fault for a redlite? Now we are putting blame on the system. Let's move on to something constructive, like track conditions and run order.

[bill dedman]

Originally Posted by Adger Smith

I just don't see what the big deal is about the red light. We have raced with it the way it is for about 4 decades. What? We aren't accustomed to it? We don't know what the rule is? OH! we want to change something to confuse the few fans we have left in the stands.
I think I've heard more fast guys say "I just couldn't wait" than the slow guy say they couldn't wait on the tree. So who really has the advantage on the tree? Fast or slow it's usually not the guy with his head in his A**... that has the advantage. Isn't it usually your own fault for a redlite? Now we are putting blame on the system. Let's move on to something constructive, like track conditions and run order.

Yes, Adger, it's been screwing the first driver to leave for 40 years. Don't you think that's long enough? I do... and yes, we're so accustomed to it that it seems "right." Until you really think about it. Took me a long time to realize just how unnecesarily wrong it was/is.

"Isn't it usually your own fault for a redlite?" Absolutely, but is that any reason to deprive the guy in the other lane of his chance to do it even worse? I can't see why everyone shouldn't have the same chance to redlite. Do you? As it is, they don't.

If I am the first to leave, and I redlight, it is the fault of tthe CURRENT system that the second driver will never have his chance to redlight. Been that way for nearly 40 years, BECAUSE they didn't know how to fix it, for a long time.

That's no longer a valid excuse. Now, they know how.

Fixing this would be VERY constructive, and the fans in the stands would have no reason to be confused; only one redlight will show... the worse one, while the win light shows in the other lane. What's confusing about that?

Nothing.

[Ed Carpenter]

Originally Posted by bill dedman

Yes, Adger, it's been screwing the first driver to leave for 40 years. Don't you think that's long enough? I do... and yes, we're so accustomed to it that it seems "right." Until you really think about it. Took me a long time to realize just how unnecesarily wrong it was/is.

"Isn't it usually your own fault for a redlite?" Absolutely, but is that any reason to deprive the guy in the other lane of his chance to do it even worse? I can't see why everyone shouldn't have the same chance to redlite. Do you? As it is, they don't.

If I am the first to leave, and I redlight, it is the fault of tthe CURRENT system that the second driver will never have his chance to redlight. Been that way for nearly 40 years, BECAUSE they didn't know how to fix it, for a long time.

That's no longer a valid excuse. Now, they know how.

Fixing this would be VERY constructive, and the fans in the stands would have no reason to be confused; only one redlight will show... the worse one, while the win light shows in the other lane. What's confusing about that?

Nothing.

Cut a good light in your lane and nothing else matters.

[bill dedman]

Originally Posted by deuces wild

Cut a good light in your lane and nothing else matters.

I assume you always do that, Mr. Carpenter?

What's your secret???

[Jason]

Originally Posted by bill dedman

Yes, Adger, it's been screwing the first driver to leave for 40 years. Don't you think that's long enough? I do... and yes, we're so accustomed to it that it seems "right." Until you really think about it. Took me a long time to realize just how unnecesarily wrong it was/is.

"Isn't it usually your own fault for a redlite?" Absolutely, but is that any reason to deprive the guy in the other lane of his chance to do it even worse? I can't see why everyone shouldn't have the same chance to redlite. Do you? As it is, they don't.

If I am the first to leave, and I redlight, it is the fault of tthe CURRENT system that the second driver will never have his chance to redlight. Been that way for nearly 40 years, BECAUSE they didn't know how to fix it, for a long time.

That's no longer a valid excuse. Now, they know how.

Fixing this would be VERY constructive, and the fans in the stands would have no reason to be confused; only one redlight will show... the worse one, while the win light shows in the other lane. What's confusing about that?

Nothing.

Give it up Bill. It ain't gonna happen. Why? Because the guy who tried to get mufflers on Stock and SS would have been your only hope and he is long gone. Most will admit he was the best at getting unwanted changes accepted in the rulebook. Too bad for you and your idea...great for the rest of us.

[Ed Wright]

Adger is my hero.
Btw, isn't there also a bracket racing section here for those guys? :-)

[bill dedman]

Originally Posted by Ed Wright

Adger is my hero.
Btw, isn't there also a bracket racing section here for those guys? :-)

Yes, there's a Bracket racing section, but I would imagine you realize that NHRA is the leader in race procedure implementation technology, and is the venue where racing procedures that affect ALL racing are the most visible. What that means is, until this change gets implemented by NHRA, it's not very likely to happen anywhere else.

That's why I am attempting to get awareness of this situation on this board, instead of a Bracket board.

It's nothing personal....

[bill dedman]

Originally Posted by Jason

Too bad for you and your idea...great for the rest of us.

"great for the rest of us"????

I hope you remember writing this the next time you're eliminated by the guy in the next lane who had a worse red light than you...

That makes no sense at all.

[Chad Rhodes]

Originally Posted by bill dedman

"great for the rest of us"????

I hope you remember writing this the next time you're eliminated by the guy in the next lane who had a worse red light than you...

That makes no sense at all.

I will, and I stand by my original statement, if I go red, then I choked and don't deserve to win.