2011 ahfs

Nice post Mark. You can come run T/S or T/D with us?? Kidding......

Thanks for the info Kent. Is it possible for us to see what data is being used for the changes implemented? Are they taking into consideration sub sea level conditions also? Maybe I missed it but where there surveys done on Class Racer or another site? I know it is too late for changes or opinions so I will stop here.

[Mike Crutchfield]

Originally Posted by Barry Polley

Nice post Mark. You can come run T/S or T/D with us?? Kidding......

Thanks for the info Kent. Is it possible for us to see what data is being used for the changes implemented? Are they taking into consideration sub sea level conditions also? Maybe I missed it but where there surveys done on Class Racer or another site? I know it is too late for changes or opinions so I will stop here.

Barry
As far as I know, no nation wide surveys were done. Each division SRAC member gets input from there S/SS racers from emails or conversation at the races or phone calls. Emails are the most effective way to express your ideas and there is a written record. The problem with web site surveys are you get input from non-racers so in most cases these sites are used only for up-dates. The surveys NHRA conducted last year was met with almost no response. Keep in mind you can send your input to the S/SS committee direct by email or letter and it will be considered. If you do this I would suggest you copy you SARA member so he can refer to it later if it is considered.
A lot of the ideas I have read on this site including creating new classes were sent to us by other racers and discussed and were passed over by the NHRA committiee for a variety of reasons. Some of the main reasons were that they just don't have the help to get into a complicated system and don't have the budget to create and maintain it and the new classes were not wanted because of more pay out for the sponsors. I can tell you that the first proposed change was to make it so automatic that it would have been like comp. were one run by one person could have ruined a class combination forever and posted and effective on the following week.
Contrary to what most people believe NHRA is just like any other business, they are victums to the economy and they operate and make decisions in the best instrest of there business where we like it or not. I can't say I would do it any different if I was in there shoes.
What our role should be is to be sure we can keep them well informed with as much information to the needs of S/SS racers. That is what the SRAC council did with this policy. I would like to invite anyone with fresh ideas for future rules and policies to send them in email form to your division SRAC member. But keep in mind the door on AHFS is closed for a while (or as I said earlier) unless they change there mind.

Thanks
Mike Crutchfield
D2 S/SS SRAC Member

[Kent Hanley]

From what we have heard NHRA is reviewing the altitude adjusted indexes and we should know more shortly. As for the survey I know there we several including one I took through the staging lanes at the D1 LDRS Atco fall race.

Reminder the SRAC reps represent all racers including the racers that run the new cars. (No I don’t own one)

I think some racers are asking why wont NHRA single out the new Fords and Chryslers and put them into their own class??

I say some because there are those that based upon the NHRA rules went out and spent a lot of money on one of these new combinations.
Therefore their argument is, “why penalize me when I was just following the rules.” Which makes sense.

My PERSONAL guess is that:
1. How would you write the rule since some are carbureted, some are super charged ECT it’s not like the FI cars when they hit the track.

2. Is it fair to the racers who went out and spent the money on a new car based upon the existing rules?

3. Ford and Chrysler are 2 great manufactures who are investing lots of money in to our sport. Their investment is much more than in Stock and Super Stock. They sponsor cars and teams in TF, Funny Car and Pro Stock.
As we know fans come to see the Pros and with out these manufacture involvement I just wonder what sort of Pro fields we would really have.
So my personal guess is and this has never been said by anyone at NHRA to me but it makes common sense, “why bite the hand that feeds you”.

So instead of singling out a couple combinations (even if you could write a rule that would) modify the current AHFS to aggressively adjust the out of line combinations.

This is my opinion and I know this could get the entire keyboard racers all fired up and I don’t plan on debating it online.


Kent

[Chad Rhodes]

Originally Posted by Kent Hanley

From what we have heard NHRA is reviewing the altitude adjusted indexes and we should know more shortly. As for the survey I know there we several including one I took through the staging lanes at the D1 LDRS Atco fall race.

Reminder the SRAC reps represent all racers including the racers that run the new cars. (No I don’t own one)

I think some racers are asking why wont NHRA single out the new Fords and Chryslers and put them into their own class??

I say some because there are those that based upon the NHRA rules went out and spent a lot of money on one of these new combinations.
Therefore their argument is, “why penalize me when I was just following the rules.” Which makes sense.

My PERSONAL guess is that:
1. How would you write the rule since some are carbureted, some are super charged ECT it’s not like the FI cars when they hit the track.

2. Is it fair to the racers who went out and spent the money on a new car based upon the existing rules?

3. Ford and Chrysler are 2 great manufactures who are investing lots of money in to our sport. Their investment is much more than in Stock and Super Stock. They sponsor cars and teams in TF, Funny Car and Pro Stock.
As we know fans come to see the Pros and with out these manufacture involvement I just wonder what sort of Pro fields we would really have.
So my personal guess is and this has never been said by anyone at NHRA to me but it makes common sense, “why bite the hand that feeds you”.

So instead of singling out a couple combinations (even if you could write a rule that would) modify the current AHFS to aggressively adjust the out of line combinations.

This is my opinion and I know this could get the entire keyboard racers all fired up and I don’t plan on debating it online.


Kent

the problem with any AHFS system is that there is a way around it for the most part. If you have a combo that will run 1.50 under, and you back it down to run .99 under ( by whatever means you chose you avoid the hits. Then you step it up just enough to win heads up rounds, and the hits will come much slower. Also remember that it takes 2 fast passes to trigger, not just one.

[Bob Pagano]

2. Is it fair to the racers who went out and spent the money on a new car based upon the existing rules?

Is it fair to all the cars that have 50-60-70 thou in their combo's Bad choice of words....Put them ALL in FX and in one year they will be ready for whereever.

Thanks Mike and Kent. With all the latest engine combos from Ford and Mopar being submitted to stock and superstock it will be a while before things get back to the norm. Talk about a runaway train.

[Craig Couris]

Unless there is something here I do not understand, where is the incentive to improve your combination? I believe this is going to tear the very fabric that defines the Eliminator.

[Wade_Owens]

Originally Posted by Craig Couris

Unless there is something here I do not understand, where is the incentive to improve your combination? I believe this is going to tear the very fabric that defines the Eliminator.

Craig is absolutely right. There is much more of this than meets the eye. Where the hell is my incentive to buy 2 new cams and dyno? Why on earth would I call A-1 and say, "build me a new state of the art converter?" And why do I call my engine machinest and say "lets try that far fetched hone job and ring combo to see if its worth a couple?" Why do I call Hole-Shot and buy some new lighter weight wheels? You tell me why I should be proud of running my car in NHRA Stock Eliminator and slowing it down to keep from getting kicked in the nuts by the AHFS and wasting my already spent money?

So, the people supporting us, the contingency companies and so forth are going to see a drop in people buying "improvements". Why in the hell would they consider signing up again for class/win contingency sponsors?


Somebody please explain?

Wade O

[Ed Fernandez]

Originally Posted by Craig Couris

Unless there is something here I do not understand, where is the incentive to improve your combination? I believe this is going to tear the very fabric that defines the Eliminator.

I don't think the "perks" that GM threw at Glendora were as substantial as they are with the current manufacturers to get the favorable HP figures.That being said,is it any wonder they won't put them in their own class.
Only speculation on my part.

[Angelo DiTocco]

Originally Posted by Bob Pagano

2. Is it fair to the racers who went out and spent the money on a new car based upon the existing rules?

Is it fair to all the cars that have 50-60-70 thou in their combo's Bad choice of words....Put them ALL in FX and in one year they will be ready for whereever.

I actualy like the new cars and I agree that technology must somehow be partnered with corporate marketing in order to move forward however..................

I gotta agree w/ Bob here - The EFI cars had their own classes for a few years - knocked heads w/ eachother - got HP - and were reabsorbed into traditional stock classes.

No one shed any tears for those car owners..... over the fact that those people had built "legal" cars according to the "existing" rules. They got separated out... and I don't think anyone could argue that it didn't work. The situation w/ the new cars is no different. I have no skin in this game... yet.... but I don't buy that argument. I know the NHRA has their hands full - and I understand what that means - but I don't think it would take a team of people to replicate what was done in the past w/ the EFI cars.