What I feel nhra needs to do?

[art leong]

What I feel nhra needs to do to save class sporstman racing.
First get the specs on some of the newer cars, And put them in the guide.
Why do they have to wait for the factory to send them the specs?
The racing we know can not and will not exist much longer without new blood.
This means allowing the foreign cars in stock and superstock.
If not stock and superstock are doomed to be nostalgia classes.
I'm not saying the guy running the 68 Camaro has to go out and change but you have to allow some new racers.
Scott Kelly races his Toyota on a rediculous index They set the index off the Pro All Motor record at first, then backed it up 3 tenths. How many existing cars could be competitive under that scenario?
If they allowed more cars in these classes, you would see a lot more competition.
And the classes might have a future.

[Ed Carpenter]

Art I hope you are taking your blood pressure medication. NHRA is going to kill you.

[art leong]

Originally Posted by deuces wild

Art I hope you are taking your blood pressure medication. NHRA is going to kill you.

If I can't take it I'll just quit. Nobody makes me race.

[Bernie Cunningham]

Art, I know I'm off ya Christmas card list already but you're really sounding pathetic now !!! Don't ya live in Florida, heck the sun shines down there 365 days a year or do ya have a nasty cloud over ya head all the time that's ready to piss just on you at a moments notice !!

The newer cars will never go away, it's called evolution, and we need 'em. (in the FX class that could be coming later) This year will see a huge amount of HP handed out with both new and the old, stay tuned !!!

There's plenty of new blood in Class racing, look around.

How the heck did NHRA come up with YOUR HP factor ????????? Now your concerned ?

NO NEW CLASSES NEED TO BE ADDED, PERIOD !!!!!! WTF ! nobody needs any such thing for US to survive.

[Ed Fernandez]

Bernie quote"There's plenty of new blood in Class racing, look around."

Bernie I think you r love affair with NHRA is getting the best of you.Just look at all the
current and soon to be So Sec recipients in the lanes in S/SS.Pretty soon NHRA is going to have to add more EMC vehicles and crews to baby sit us.
Pretty much all the new blood are offspring or relatives of us coots.
NHRA threw the blind mice a bone by including runs at Nat. Opens to the AHFS.Big deal.They still have to go 1.20 under to get hit.(That's 1.55 under the old index's.)
Someone in Glendora has to grow a pair of you know what and just say "enough is enough" and try to get the factors back in line.Of course they'll have to give back the courtesy cars.

[boostedf22c]

I hear ya on this one, at least what you are saying about Scott running in that class with a ridiculous index.

The class I'm going to run this year is SS/DX (in my "foreign" car ), it's a 9.05 index.

[art leong]

Originally Posted by Bernie Cunningham

Art, I know I'm off ya Christmas card list already but you're really sounding pathetic now !!! Don't ya live in Florida, heck the sun shines down there 365 days a year or do ya have a nasty cloud over ya head all the time that's ready to piss just on you at a moments notice !!

The newer cars will never go away, it's called evolution, and we need 'em. (in the FX class that could be coming later) This year will see a huge amount of HP handed out with both new and the old, stay tuned !!!

There's plenty of new blood in Class racing, look around.

How the heck did NHRA come up with YOUR HP factor ????????? Now your concerned ?


NO NEW CLASSES NEED TO BE ADDED, PERIOD !!!!!! WTF ! nobody needs any such thing for US to survive.

bernie. My dear friend. You must be getting your stuff from the same guy as ed wrong.
Medical reasons, I understand.
I don't live in sunny Florida, never have.
I've never called for anything different to happen to the new cars. You crybabies were in charge of that one.
As far as HP goes thats my business not nhra's. Size matters.
And I never stated to add classes just to get the sheets on a lot of cars that are out there now. Like my Chrysler 300 with a 3.5 auto (not in the book) A lot of kids are driving imports that could race in stock but they aren't in the book.
No new classes just fill up nthe existing ones. But I guess that doesn't fit your game plan.
Maybe you shouldn't let "charlie" know that?
Look around and I see a bunch of "Cue Tips" in the staging lanes. Talking more about their doses of meds, and what hurt the most when they got up in the morning.
The only reason Stock and Superstock worked was the fact that you could race whatever your car was and and have fun. You could dream of racing a Dodge wagon like Pete Tritak. And go and buy that type of car for a reasonable price. Go to a junkyard for parts, work on it and get it to run. Now you have to lay out an awful lot of money to build a car for an "obscure" class. A ton of money to build one for a popular one ( how much did your cylinder heads cost?). Add the fact these old cars are hard to buy and cost a ton.
Very few people in the stands can relate to the cars of today. Even prostockers all look alike. You don't see the cars that people have at home. It might as well be Fomula 1 racing.
At Atlanta 2 years ago Jimmy Rozello (convertble CJ)and I were pitted in the same row. Between us there were 2 1st gen Camaros and a 70 something Nova. All 3 cars had beautiful paint jobs (or wraps) Super clean engine compartments etc. We all had our hoods open.
Well Jimmies car had 10 or 12 people around it most of the time, I have 6 or 8 around me most of the time. Everyone of those people walked past the Camaros and the Nova without a second look. Do you realize how many people come up to me and tell me the have a neon just like mine. How do I make it go so fast? Where do I hide the turbo? That things got an automatic in it?
What do people say to you? Pretty car?

[Chad Rhodes]

Originally Posted by art leong

bernie. My dear friend. You must be getting your stuff from the same guy as ed wrong.
Medical reasons, I understand.
I don't live in sunny Florida, never have.
I've never called for anything different to happen to the new cars. You crybabies were in charge of that one.
As far as HP goes thats my business not nhra's. Size matters.
And I never stated to add classes just to get the sheets on a lot of cars that are out there now. Like my Chrysler 300 with a 3.5 auto (not in the book) A lot of kids are driving imports that could race in stock but they aren't in the book.
No new classes just fill up nthe existing ones. But I guess that doesn't fit your game plan.
Maybe you shouldn't let "charlie" know that?
Look around and I see a bunch of "Cue Tips" in the staging lanes. Talking more about their doses of meds, and what hurt the most when they got up in the morning.
The only reason Stock and Superstock worked was the fact that you could race whatever your car was and and have fun. You could dream of racing a Dodge wagon like Pete Tritak. And go and buy that type of car for a reasonable price. Go to a junkyard for parts, work on it and get it to run. Now you have to lay out an awful lot of money to build a car for an "obscure" class. A ton of money to build one for a popular one ( how much did your cylinder heads cost?). Add the fact these old cars are hard to buy and cost a ton.
Very few people in the stands can relate to the cars of today. Even prostockers all look alike. You don't see the cars that people have at home. It might as well be Fomula 1 racing.
At Atlanta 2 years ago Jimmy Rozello (convertble CJ)and I were pitted in the same row. Between us there were 2 1st gen Camaros and a 70 something Nova. All 3 cars had beautiful paint jobs (or wraps) Super clean engine compartments etc. We all had our hoods open.
Well Jimmies car had 10 or 12 people around it most of the time, I have 6 or 8 around me most of the time. Everyone of those people walked past the Camaros and the Nova without a second look. Do you realize how many people come up to me and tell me the have a neon just like mine. How do I make it go so fast? Where do I hide the turbo? That things got an automatic in it?
What do people say to you? Pretty car?

Art, none of these import driving kids would give two ****s about stock even if their car was in the guides. you're talking about people who honestly think stickers=hp, and that a 106mm turbo has to be better than a 56mm even if it is a stock motor. They, with few exceptions, have no interest in doing "more with less". They would rather have 600WHP and still run 15's because a) they can't stage a car, much less make a pass, b)it wouldn't hook if they could, and they don't understand why, and c) it would probably throw CV axles like Tebow throws touchdowns. I'd bet a stack that even if the cars were in the guide, you wouldn't see a significant increase in car count due to them. Hell if my memory serves there were more B/SA cars at Indy than there where cars total at most of those import races (not counting the bracket cars).

[art leong]

Originally Posted by Chad Rhodes

Art, none of these import driving kids would give two ****s about stock even if their car was in the guides. you're talking about people who honestly think stickers=hp, and that a 106mm turbo has to be better than a 56mm even if it is a stock motor. They, with few exceptions, have no interest in doing "more with less". They would rather have 600WHP and still run 15's because a) they can't stage a car, much less make a pass, b)it wouldn't hook if they could, and they don't understand why, and c) it would probably throw CV axles like Tebow throws touchdowns. I'd bet a stack that even if the cars were in the guide, you wouldn't see a significant increase in car count due to them. Hell if my memory serves there were more B/SA cars at Indy than there where cars total at most of those import races (not counting the bracket cars).

Chad you are right about a lot of them. Not all. I'm 63 and I can remember doing some "smart" stuff with my roadrunner. Starting line in reverse was one of them.
I wasn't born with a shifter in one hand and a wrench in the other. I learned it the hard way.
And I have even learned more than a thing or 2 from these "kids"
If you lump everone in their age group as idiots. Do you have kids?
The reason the import stuff didn't work is totally nhra's fault. It started off great, but nhra made all the "classes" pro classes. The factories got involved and chased everyone else out. Do you remember Lingenfelter? You guys complain about the CJ's and the DP's. Well racing the imports against the factories was like that but on steroids.
Someone said I should worry? I guess so, if you or some of the other heros on here built a car like mine I wouldn't have a chance.

[Chad Rhodes]

Originally Posted by art leong

Chad you are right about a lot of them. Not all. I'm 63 and I can remember doing some "smart" stuff with my roadrunner. Starting line in reverse was one of them.
I wasn't born with a shifter in one hand and a wrench in the other. I learned it the hard way.
And I have even learned more than a thing or 2 from these "kids"
If you lump everone in their age group as idiots. Do you have kids?
The reason the import stuff didn't work is totally nhra's fault. It started off great, but nhra made all the "classes" pro classes. The factories got involved and chased everyone else out. Do you remember Lingenfelter? You guys complain about the CJ's and the DP's. Well racing the imports against the factories was like that but on steroids.
Someone said I should worry? I guess so, if you or some of the other heros on here built a car like mine I wouldn't have a chance.

Hell Art I just turned 33, I'm not far removed from them. But i know that if I want to see hilarity ensue, and mechanical carnage......go to the track on import night.