What I feel nhra needs to do?

[art leong]

Originally Posted by Bernie Cunningham

Art, I know I'm off ya Christmas card list already but you're really sounding pathetic now !!! Don't ya live in Florida, heck the sun shines down there 365 days a year or do ya have a nasty cloud over ya head all the time that's ready to piss just on you at a moments notice !!

The newer cars will never go away, it's called evolution, and we need 'em. (in the FX class that could be coming later) This year will see a huge amount of HP handed out with both new and the old, stay tuned !!!

There's plenty of new blood in Class racing, look around.

How the heck did NHRA come up with YOUR HP factor ????????? Now your concerned ?


NO NEW CLASSES NEED TO BE ADDED, PERIOD !!!!!! WTF ! nobody needs any such thing for US to survive.

bernie. My dear friend. You must be getting your stuff from the same guy as ed wrong.
Medical reasons, I understand.
I don't live in sunny Florida, never have.
I've never called for anything different to happen to the new cars. You crybabies were in charge of that one.
As far as HP goes thats my business not nhra's. Size matters.
And I never stated to add classes just to get the sheets on a lot of cars that are out there now. Like my Chrysler 300 with a 3.5 auto (not in the book) A lot of kids are driving imports that could race in stock but they aren't in the book.
No new classes just fill up nthe existing ones. But I guess that doesn't fit your game plan.
Maybe you shouldn't let "charlie" know that?
Look around and I see a bunch of "Cue Tips" in the staging lanes. Talking more about their doses of meds, and what hurt the most when they got up in the morning.
The only reason Stock and Superstock worked was the fact that you could race whatever your car was and and have fun. You could dream of racing a Dodge wagon like Pete Tritak. And go and buy that type of car for a reasonable price. Go to a junkyard for parts, work on it and get it to run. Now you have to lay out an awful lot of money to build a car for an "obscure" class. A ton of money to build one for a popular one ( how much did your cylinder heads cost?). Add the fact these old cars are hard to buy and cost a ton.
Very few people in the stands can relate to the cars of today. Even prostockers all look alike. You don't see the cars that people have at home. It might as well be Fomula 1 racing.
At Atlanta 2 years ago Jimmy Rozello (convertble CJ)and I were pitted in the same row. Between us there were 2 1st gen Camaros and a 70 something Nova. All 3 cars had beautiful paint jobs (or wraps) Super clean engine compartments etc. We all had our hoods open.
Well Jimmies car had 10 or 12 people around it most of the time, I have 6 or 8 around me most of the time. Everyone of those people walked past the Camaros and the Nova without a second look. Do you realize how many people come up to me and tell me the have a neon just like mine. How do I make it go so fast? Where do I hide the turbo? That things got an automatic in it?
What do people say to you? Pretty car?

[Chad Rhodes]

Originally Posted by art leong

bernie. My dear friend. You must be getting your stuff from the same guy as ed wrong.
Medical reasons, I understand.
I don't live in sunny Florida, never have.
I've never called for anything different to happen to the new cars. You crybabies were in charge of that one.
As far as HP goes thats my business not nhra's. Size matters.
And I never stated to add classes just to get the sheets on a lot of cars that are out there now. Like my Chrysler 300 with a 3.5 auto (not in the book) A lot of kids are driving imports that could race in stock but they aren't in the book.
No new classes just fill up nthe existing ones. But I guess that doesn't fit your game plan.
Maybe you shouldn't let "charlie" know that?
Look around and I see a bunch of "Cue Tips" in the staging lanes. Talking more about their doses of meds, and what hurt the most when they got up in the morning.
The only reason Stock and Superstock worked was the fact that you could race whatever your car was and and have fun. You could dream of racing a Dodge wagon like Pete Tritak. And go and buy that type of car for a reasonable price. Go to a junkyard for parts, work on it and get it to run. Now you have to lay out an awful lot of money to build a car for an "obscure" class. A ton of money to build one for a popular one ( how much did your cylinder heads cost?). Add the fact these old cars are hard to buy and cost a ton.
Very few people in the stands can relate to the cars of today. Even prostockers all look alike. You don't see the cars that people have at home. It might as well be Fomula 1 racing.
At Atlanta 2 years ago Jimmy Rozello (convertble CJ)and I were pitted in the same row. Between us there were 2 1st gen Camaros and a 70 something Nova. All 3 cars had beautiful paint jobs (or wraps) Super clean engine compartments etc. We all had our hoods open.
Well Jimmies car had 10 or 12 people around it most of the time, I have 6 or 8 around me most of the time. Everyone of those people walked past the Camaros and the Nova without a second look. Do you realize how many people come up to me and tell me the have a neon just like mine. How do I make it go so fast? Where do I hide the turbo? That things got an automatic in it?
What do people say to you? Pretty car?

Art, none of these import driving kids would give two ****s about stock even if their car was in the guides. you're talking about people who honestly think stickers=hp, and that a 106mm turbo has to be better than a 56mm even if it is a stock motor. They, with few exceptions, have no interest in doing "more with less". They would rather have 600WHP and still run 15's because a) they can't stage a car, much less make a pass, b)it wouldn't hook if they could, and they don't understand why, and c) it would probably throw CV axles like Tebow throws touchdowns. I'd bet a stack that even if the cars were in the guide, you wouldn't see a significant increase in car count due to them. Hell if my memory serves there were more B/SA cars at Indy than there where cars total at most of those import races (not counting the bracket cars).

[art leong]

Originally Posted by Chad Rhodes

Art, none of these import driving kids would give two ****s about stock even if their car was in the guides. you're talking about people who honestly think stickers=hp, and that a 106mm turbo has to be better than a 56mm even if it is a stock motor. They, with few exceptions, have no interest in doing "more with less". They would rather have 600WHP and still run 15's because a) they can't stage a car, much less make a pass, b)it wouldn't hook if they could, and they don't understand why, and c) it would probably throw CV axles like Tebow throws touchdowns. I'd bet a stack that even if the cars were in the guide, you wouldn't see a significant increase in car count due to them. Hell if my memory serves there were more B/SA cars at Indy than there where cars total at most of those import races (not counting the bracket cars).

Chad you are right about a lot of them. Not all. I'm 63 and I can remember doing some "smart" stuff with my roadrunner. Starting line in reverse was one of them.
I wasn't born with a shifter in one hand and a wrench in the other. I learned it the hard way.
And I have even learned more than a thing or 2 from these "kids"
If you lump everone in their age group as idiots. Do you have kids?
The reason the import stuff didn't work is totally nhra's fault. It started off great, but nhra made all the "classes" pro classes. The factories got involved and chased everyone else out. Do you remember Lingenfelter? You guys complain about the CJ's and the DP's. Well racing the imports against the factories was like that but on steroids.
Someone said I should worry? I guess so, if you or some of the other heros on here built a car like mine I wouldn't have a chance.

[Chad Rhodes]

Originally Posted by art leong

Chad you are right about a lot of them. Not all. I'm 63 and I can remember doing some "smart" stuff with my roadrunner. Starting line in reverse was one of them.
I wasn't born with a shifter in one hand and a wrench in the other. I learned it the hard way.
And I have even learned more than a thing or 2 from these "kids"
If you lump everone in their age group as idiots. Do you have kids?
The reason the import stuff didn't work is totally nhra's fault. It started off great, but nhra made all the "classes" pro classes. The factories got involved and chased everyone else out. Do you remember Lingenfelter? You guys complain about the CJ's and the DP's. Well racing the imports against the factories was like that but on steroids.
Someone said I should worry? I guess so, if you or some of the other heros on here built a car like mine I wouldn't have a chance.

Hell Art I just turned 33, I'm not far removed from them. But i know that if I want to see hilarity ensue, and mechanical carnage......go to the track on import night.

[art leong]

Originally Posted by Chad Rhodes

Hell Art I just turned 33, I'm not far removed from them. But i know that if I want to see hilarity ensue, and mechanical carnage......go to the track on import night.

Chad you were not around in the 60's or 70's. You have no clue how much money I made because of stupidity. In the mid 70's we made 18,500 in one night a bit more than the W.R.Grace Cup.
Believe me those people back then were no brighter than the kids of today.
And there are others on here that saw that race.

[Chad Rhodes]

Originally Posted by art leong

Chad you were not around in the 60's or 70's. You have no clue how much money I made because of stupidity. In the mid 70's we made 18,500 in one night a bit more than the W.R.Grace Cup.
Believe me those people back then were no brighter than the kids of today.
And there are others on here that saw that race.

ok, when did we change topics?

[art leong]

Originally Posted by Chad Rhodes

ok, when did we change topics?

We? are you looking in a mirror?
I was talking about stupidity. No generation has a lock on it.

[X-TECH MAN]

Originally Posted by Chad Rhodes

Art, none of these import driving kids would give two ****s about stock even if their car was in the guides. you're talking about people who honestly think stickers=hp, and that a 106mm turbo has to be better than a 56mm even if it is a stock motor. They, with few exceptions, have no interest in doing "more with less". They would rather have 600WHP and still run 15's because a) they can't stage a car, much less make a pass, b)it wouldn't hook if they could, and they don't understand why, and c) it would probably throw CV axles like Tebow throws touchdowns. I'd bet a stack that even if the cars were in the guide, you wouldn't see a significant increase in car count due to them. Hell if my memory serves there were more B/SA cars at Indy than there where cars total at most of those import races (not counting the bracket cars).

X2 Let them race with their own kind ! The "Jap Junk" with fart can mufflers is one reason our economy is in such bad shape to begin with. BUY and RACE AMERICAN even if a lot is assembled in Mexico these days. OK....."Burn" me up Scotty !

[boostedf22c]

Originally Posted by X-TECH MAN

X2 Let them race with their own kind ! The "Jap Junk" with fart can mufflers is one reason our economy is in such bad shape to begin with. BUY and RACE AMERICAN even if a lot is assembled in Mexico these days. OK....."Burn" me up Scotty !

You really think that's why the economy is in such bad shape? Because some kids bought a $500 Civic and bolted some autozone parts on it.....haha.

****, my import, which I race, was bought used from an american. I paid state sales tax on it, bought nothing but domestic parts to make it fast from US companies, paid a fabricator in the US to build it, how is that hurting the economy???? Take a look at GM and Chrysler now, they are more import than imports have ever been. That is one reason the economy (automotive wise) has started to suffer. Obviously there are many other reasons. But that's another debate.

I'm definitely not sticking up for the kids driving around in the fart can POSs, nor am I defending the disrespectful kids of this generation, I just want to let you know that just because you decided to build a Honda to race, it doesn't lump you into that stereotype.

It honestly gets pretty old hearing all this talk. I mean when I drove Merryfields 10 second stocker (drag pak) at US Nationals, everyone was wanting to talk to me, ask questions, etc. But when they asked about what I drove (owned), and I told them it was a 9 second street car (Honda), and that I'm turning it into a SS car which should be deep into the 8's, they either just ignored me, like I was lying to them, or showed no interest whatsoever. I see both sides to this, but people need to be a bit more open minded.

[boostedf22c]

Originally Posted by Chad Rhodes

Art, none of these import driving kids would give two ****s about stock even if their car was in the guides. you're talking about people who honestly think stickers=hp, and that a 106mm turbo has to be better than a 56mm even if it is a stock motor. They, with few exceptions, have no interest in doing "more with less". They would rather have 600WHP and still run 15's because a) they can't stage a car, much less make a pass, b)it wouldn't hook if they could, and they don't understand why, and c) it would probably throw CV axles like Tebow throws touchdowns. I'd bet a stack that even if the cars were in the guide, you wouldn't see a significant increase in car count due to them. Hell if my memory serves there were more B/SA cars at Indy than there where cars total at most of those import races (not counting the bracket cars).

Nice stereotype.

We'll see how this import driving "kid" does this year in SS with my car.

I do agree about this generation of kids, and what people are saying about them, but it has absolutely nothing to do with what kind of car they choose to drive.