Redlight Poll (Revised)

[The Hawk]

I`m still trying to figure out why I keep coming back to read this mumbo jumbo. This thread is like a train wreck,you have to keep watching it.

[Ed Wright]

Originally Posted by The Hawk

I`m still trying to figure out why I keep coming back to read this mumbo jumbo. This thread is like a train wreck,you have to keep watching it.

Like a lot of us, you enjoy a good laugh.

You would think it would eventually just die.

[Mike Carr]

Originally Posted by bill dedman

He can't do it either, because there IS NO GOOD, LOGICAL, and LEGITIMATE reason NOT to change it.

Bill, we've been over this before, but I will repeat it. Again. There is NO good, logical, legitimate reson for the current system, in the picture of fairness. BUT...

The current redlight rule, in the big picture of the present and (possible) future of Class Racing, is 'small potatoes' compared to the many, more pressing issues we face. If I were making a list of the Top 10 complaints felt by many racers (or, at least by myself), this issue would not make it. In no particular order:
1) We run on sometimes suspect track conditions, and sometimes on a cold, dewy evening track.
2) Contigency money has dwindled significantly.
3) Class Eliminations as we know it has all but ceased to exist.
4) The major sanctioning bodies are 'enhancing' us right out of the sport, with rules changes, added costs for pit bikes, etc.
5) The AHFS is broken. See early season qualifying sheets.
6) We have many new cars, many of whom would deem them to be 'not in the spirit of a true Stock Eliminator car'.
7) Current rules on tech that are not uniformly enforced.
8) The current payouts are not much more than the payouts were many years ago.
9) Getting pushed back for a day or two at a Nat'l event due to weather, oildowns, etc.

And on and on. If the MAJOR issues are resolved, than I would be more inclined to talk about the redlight issue. I think that is the reason why many don't support your cause as much. We realize that this issue (first/worst redlight) is a misdemeanor in the world filled with felonies in regard to modern NHRA/IHRA Class Racing.

Also, like I stated to you before (probably last year or whenever the last time this annual topic comes up), if you feel so strongly about this issue: Take up a petition, get everyone who supports a worst redlight scenario to sign, and mail, e-mail, fax, whatever, to everyone at NHRA, IHRA, local tracks, etc etc. But please, stop beating this dead horse, and actually DO something about it, instead of contantly harping about it on here annually. Please? I don't beg very often, but I'm begging you now. And yes, I would probably sign the petition if/when you started one.

[Chad Rhodes]

Originally Posted by bill dedman

You think that's a reason not to change it?

That's the status quo; not a reason at all.

What's your opinion of a reason not to change it? When does the other car get HIS chance to red light in this race? Don't you think conditions should be the same for both cars?

Bill, i gave you one, and you even agreed with it. Or is that too far back for you to remember

[Tom Goldman]

I think you guys will need some of these items if you want to attempt to repair anything involving NHRA.

[The Hawk]

Originally Posted by Tom Goldman

I think you guys will need some of these items if you want to attempt to repair anything involving NHRA.

Isn`t that the truth!

[Chad Rhodes]

Originally Posted by Mike Carr

Bill, we've been over this before, but I will repeat it. Again. There is NO good, logical, legitimate reson for the current system, in the picture of fairness. BUT...

The current redlight rule, in the big picture of the present and (possible) future of Class Racing, is 'small potatoes' compared to the many, more pressing issues we face. If I were making a list of the Top 10 complaints felt by many racers (or, at least by myself), this issue would not make it. In no particular order:
1) We run on sometimes suspect track conditions, and sometimes on a cold, dewy evening track.
2) Contigency money has dwindled significantly.
3) Class Eliminations as we know it has all but ceased to exist.
4) The major sanctioning bodies are 'enhancing' us right out of the sport, with rules changes, added costs for pit bikes, etc.
5) The AHFS is broken. See early season qualifying sheets.
6) We have many new cars, many of whom would deem them to be 'not in the spirit of a true Stock Eliminator car'.
7) Current rules on tech that are not uniformly enforced.
8) The current payouts are not much more than the payouts were many years ago.
9) Getting pushed back for a day or two at a Nat'l event due to weather, oildowns, etc.

And on and on. If the MAJOR issues are resolved, than I would be more inclined to talk about the redlight issue. I think that is the reason why many don't support your cause as much. We realize that this issue (first/worst redlight) is a misdemeanor in the world filled with felonies in regard to modern NHRA/IHRA Class Racing.

Also, like I stated to you before (probably last year or whenever the last time this annual topic comes up), if you feel so strongly about this issue: Take up a petition, get everyone who supports a worst redlight scenario to sign, and mail, e-mail, fax, whatever, to everyone at NHRA, IHRA, local tracks, etc etc. But please, stop beating this dead horse, and actually DO something about it, instead of contantly harping about it on here annually. Please? I don't beg very often, but I'm begging you now. And yes, I would probably sign the petition if/when you started one.

excellent points

[Ed Fernandez]

Originally Posted by Tom Goldman

I think you guys will need some of these items if you want to attempt to repair anything involving NHRA.

If you give Old Bill,Bunkster and god old Gary a good head shaking you'll hear some noise.That's probably the contents of their noggins.
Doesn't Bill remind you of the kids in the schoolyard who when they're out of anything to say come up with nah nah nah nah nah nah?Bill you're 72 act your age.Now go in the kitchen and have your bowl of oatmeal.

[johnny shot]

Originally Posted by bill dedman

You think that's a reason not to change it?

That's the status quo; not a reason at all.

What's your opinion of a reason not to change it? When does the other car get HIS chance to red light in this race? Don't you think conditions should be the same for both cars?

OK F me, one last time. You want opinion or logic? Reason or fact? You keep changing your demands.

My reason to not change it? I don't feel it's broken.
Fact? It's a current rule that we must abide by.
Logic? Once the first car red lights the race is over.
Opinion? It is the same for both cars. Some times you are first to leave, giving you the chance to eliminate your self. Some times you are second to leave, giving you the chance to win be your opponents red light.

You asked for an opinion of a reason, don't know what that means. These are the facts/reasons/opinions/logic AS I SEE IT. There is zero chance you will change my mind. You keep asking for a reason, indicating that if one is given you may change yours. I don't care one way or the other what you want, nor am I interested in changing your mind. You asked, I answered. I speak for myself, and don't care who is on the band wagon with me.

And Ed, very democratic of you to ask for a hand out for you to go racing.

[Ed Fernandez]

And Ed, very democratic of you to ask for a hand out for you to go racing.

Hey,what the hell,I figured it was worth a try.