Crate Engines in NHRA?

[dragracer502]

thank you guys,
I new I could count on being able to wind you all up in 1 post or less. Crate Camaro, you owe me a beer (and thank god its a real Canadian one!). Thank you for reminding me how glad I am I live in a country where the default answer to any argument is NOT "god bless america". I will leave you with this last comforting thought......NHRA will never bring in Crate motor stockers just because IHRA started the class and we all know the mighty NHRA will never adopt a class started in the IHRA, right? I mean iits not like thats ever happened before.......just take Pro mod for example..........oh well never mind.

[Bob Pagano]

If you want respect post with your real name not some bull crap. I have many friends in Canada over the years starting with Pete Fedun but they are all class guys. Where do you fit in ?

[CrateCamaro]

Originally Posted by Bob Pagano

If you want respect post with your real name not some bull crap. I have many friends in Canada over the years starting with Pete Fedun but they are all class guys. Where do you fit in ?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Not going to play the name drop game. Cant wait to get home and make this a 100+ post thread. You guys are so lost and uninformed its crazy. Us crate motor guys have part numbers to follow just like you....i make reference to part numbers because thats your whole life...part numbers. I bet I could ask all of your wifes and or kids what part number intake you run on your stocker because they would definitly know from years of talking about different casting numbers and BS. You call me and my crate a bracket car when you are all so lost in the big picture that you actually have a bracket car as well...its a bracket race with a 30x9 tire and some rules. Give it up.

Wow all your ego's and must have really been hurt when NHRA moved all the index's up...heck what will you tell your grandchilden..."ohh grandpa's car used to go 1 under the index but now it can only go .7 under the index". No wonder kids are screwed up and turn to drugs and drive imports. You think the 14 year old kid in the stands watching you old clowns race knows what a max wedge car is? You think he can tell the difference between a 375hp camaro and a 330hp camaro? The only way he could tell is when his daddy says...hey see the one that wheelstands the farthest....thats one of those 330hp small block crate motors

[Chad Rhodes]

Originally Posted by CrateCamaro

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Not going to play the name drop game. Cant wait to get home and make this a 100+ post thread. You guys are so lost and uninformed its crazy. Us crate motor guys have part numbers to follow just like you....i make reference to part numbers because thats your whole life...part numbers. I bet I could ask all of your wifes and or kids what part number intake you run on your stocker because they would definitly know from years of talking about different casting numbers and BS. You call me and my crate a bracket car when you are all so lost in the big picture that you actually have a bracket car as well...its a bracket race with a 30x9 tire and some rules. Give it up.

Wow all your ego's and must have really been hurt when NHRA moved all the index's up...heck what will you tell your grandchilden..."ohh grandpa's car used to go 1 under the index but now it can only go .7 under the index". No wonder kids are screwed up and turn to drugs and drive imports. You think the 14 year old kid in the stands watching you old clowns race knows what a max wedge car is? You think he car tell the difference between a 375hp camaro and a 330hp camaro? The only way he could tell is when his daddy says...hey see the one in that wheelstands the farthest....thats one of those 330hp small block crate motors

i doubt you can out wheelstand some of the 427/396 camaros. Hell i know of one orange 69 camaro that i KNOW you can't out wheelstand.

[Ed Fernandez]

Don't like the rule structure?Stay the f*ck up in Canada and have fun with your bracket car.We try to give a civil conversation and you both admit you just wanted to stir the $****.
a$$holes like you two give some a bad view if Canada.Mybe you should spend time
rolling the stone in the exciting game of curling.
Those jr dragster kids are waiting to kick Mr F Bombs ***** if he has the balls to venture into the real world.

[Ed Wright]

Ed, you really need to come out of your shell, and say what you really think. LMAO!

[CrateCamaro]

Originally Posted by Ed Fernandez

Don't like the rule structure?Stay the f*ck up in Canada and have fun with your bracket car.We try to give a civil conversation and you both admit you just wanted to stir the $****.
a$$holes like you two give some a bad view if Canada.Mybe you should spend time
rolling the stone in the exciting game of curling.
Those jr dragster kids are waiting to kick Mr F Bombs ***** if he has the balls to venture into the real world.

Who said anything about the rule structure? We race the same rules you do...there is a section in the IHRA rulebook that is for cratemotor and it gives the weight breaks, intake rule, carb rule, and everythink else is the same for STOCK. Im not here to sturr the pot im here to maybe get this through your thick scull...There is no difference between your stocker an my stocker...they are both stock eliminator cars...mine has a "replacement engine"...better known as a crate motor if you didnt know already and it is no different then a 350/295hp stocker combo....its the same thing, built the same, runs the same, sounds the same...bla bla bla. You think that this is some kid of witchcraft?

[Pat6868]

Jumpin' Jeezus, must be somethin' wrong with my computer! I punched up Class Racer and got www.catfight.com. Pat6868

[Michael Beard]

Originally Posted by Chad Rhodes

i doubt you can out wheelstand some of the 427/396 camaros. Hell i know of one orange 69 camaro that i KNOW you can't out wheelstand.

Mike Petrie bent the license plate on his H/CM Camaro at Rockingham a few years ago. Although wheelies are fun, I don't know that they are applicable to the argument here. You could argue that giant wheelstands are not necessarily conducive to quick E.T.'s, and it's certainly not a factor in consistency.

Actually, I'm still trying to figure out what the argument *is* here... 1) NHRA's not going to change anything so it's a moot point for one side to push the argument, and at least as bad for the other side to get defensive about it, and 2) you've got a guy that built a car to the rules that he wanted to build, and has fun with it. All this NHRA vs IHRA or this car vs that car stuff is irrelevant.

What is your index with the 330 hp crate engine, and what do you have to weigh?

For reference, the 360 Magnum crate motor is rated at 325hp. In I/CM (10# class) min. weight 3420, index 12.10. The index would be similar to F/SA (old index 12.15, 10.5# class). Compare to a '72 340 rated at 299, which has to weigh 3310. (Although just for arguments sake, a crate motor in the traditional weight break system would be more like an E/SA, so there'd be more like a 260lb difference.)

360 crate - 9.6:1 comp, .458/.467 cam w/ 1.6 rocker, .060 dish piston, 1.925/1.625 head, 57.7 cc
340 standard - 9.32:1 comp, .462/.473 cam w/ 1.5 rocker, flat top piston w/ notches, 1.88/1.60 heads, 64.7 cc

What's all that worth on the track? Ahdunno. The crate motor has some intake/carb advantages, etc which offsets some of the 110lb (260lb?) weight difference, but they're certainly more comparable than the new cars. The 360 DragPak has better specs all the way around than my crate motor, and it's rated 50hp less (which is why there's more than one being put together at Sloan Racing Engines)

I have no problem with crate motor remaining solely an IHRA thing. *IF* NHRA ever did anything (and I don't think they would), you'd think they'd show up in Super Stock GT first. Come to think of it, you'd think it'd make sense to combine crate motors in IHRA with Stock GT.

/ramble

[MikeFicacci]

Not for nothing, for all the arguing going on here, this could be Ed Fernandez's long lost brother.