Ahfs

Chad Rhodes · 03-30-2011, 09:54 AM

the problem is that these hits will be few and far between after a short while. Most of the hits so far have been very accidental or possibly due to a lack of understanding of the new system( no good explanations for the Skillmans) . The new cars that have been hit won't be fazed potential wise , but could possibly be moved out of stock eliminator. If you remember when these changes were implemented, Jeff Teuton said that it would end up affecting the older combos worse, and I think he sadly may be right. I can see more guys hurting their average in the upper classes trying to catch a DP or CJ, than i see CJs or DPs getting hit in qualifying. A small hit (from average, not instant hit) for the new cars is going to be much less detrimental than a small hit (from average) on say a 396/375.

Prime example is Bob Shaw's caddy. Its even more deadly than the some of the new cars (after what we saw at Pat's CIC race), but i bet it doesn't get hit. Bob is smart.

jmcarter · 03-30-2011, 10:55 AM

I'm with Art on this one...1000%; that said I think GTX John has more important things to concentrate on right now so I would vote for just letting this whole thing rest.

buzzinhalfdozen · 03-30-2011, 11:14 AM

I agree with letting it rest, heck I don't even run Stock, however I'm confused on the issue of a DQ'd entry getting HP. I'll admit I'm not quite sharp enough to fully comprehend the ins and outs of the AHFS just seems odd to apply it this way. Heck it's their system I guess they can use it however they see fit. Joe

Mike Pearson · 03-30-2011, 11:26 AM

It works the other way also. they hit a class for a fast run but dont nessesarily tear the car down to check to see if it is 100% legal on the run. They just assume it is legal then put the penalty on the combo. I am speaking about the more tried and tested combos not the new "soft" combos as they are called.

Toby Lang · 03-30-2011, 01:18 PM

I guess the moral of this story is:

If you do the time, you pay the HP. Or:

If you're not sure what it will run, lift at 1000 feet. Or:

If you're not sure what the vehicle is supposed to weigh, ask somebody that does know.

I don't think this is that much different than what happened to Fred Hensen. You go quick enough on a losing run, you're gonna get HP or a flag.

Also, just an FYI, the truck got 14 HP not 18.

-Toby

Ed Wright · 03-30-2011, 02:43 PM

Sounds about right to me.

art leong · 03-30-2011, 02:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toby Lang

I guess the moral of this story is:

If you do the time, you pay the HP. Or:

If you're not sure what it will run, lift at 1000 feet. Or:

If you're not sure what the vehicle is supposed to weigh, ask somebody that does know.

I don't think this is that much different than what happened to Fred Hensen. You go quick enough on a losing run, you're gonna get HP or a flag.

Also, just an FYI, the truck got 14 HP not 18.

-Toby

Toby the car should not get hit if it is illegal.
How would you like it if somebody put together a combo just like yours. But bogus as can be. Goes out and whacks your hp 6 or 7 percent. Then never runs it again, and flagrantly admits they were bogus?
I wish everyone that got an instant hit was torn down. Thats the way it should be. But if a car is found wrong there should be no hit.
If they don't change it. This is just a vindictive hit, just like I have gotten before.

Ed Fernandez · 03-30-2011, 04:18 PM

You're right Toby,it was 14 HP.I mis read it.I tried to come on here when I thought NHRA finally got something right and bango,not so.Well I tried to be nice.Too bad we don't have a system here like England.When ***** goes wrong thay have no confidence elections and get a do over.We gave up that right in the early eighties.:>):>):>)

Toby Lang · 03-30-2011, 04:24 PM

Well, if the only reason they were "illegal" was because of the wrong year grill, I really wouldn't have much to complain about, would I?

I believe there is a lot more to this story. When was the last time you heard of somebody being thrown out for the wrong body parts? I think it might have been just an excuse to throw them out for what happened earlier with the weight and class "mix up."

-Toby

Greg Hill · 03-31-2011, 07:55 AM

In div. 3 you get torn down if you run fast enough for an instant hit.

03-30-2011, 09:54 AM	#1
Chad Rhodes VIP Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Where the Green Grass Grows, AL Posts: 2,375 Likes: 0 Liked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Re: Ahfs the problem is that these hits will be few and far between after a short while. Most of the hits so far have been very accidental or possibly due to a lack of understanding of the new system( no good explanations for the Skillmans) . The new cars that have been hit won't be fazed potential wise , but could possibly be moved out of stock eliminator. If you remember when these changes were implemented, Jeff Teuton said that it would end up affecting the older combos worse, and I think he sadly may be right. I can see more guys hurting their average in the upper classes trying to catch a DP or CJ, than i see CJs or DPs getting hit in qualifying. A small hit (from average, not instant hit) for the new cars is going to be much less detrimental than a small hit (from average) on say a 396/375. Prime example is Bob Shaw's caddy. Its even more deadly than the some of the new cars (after what we saw at Pat's CIC race), but i bet it doesn't get hit. Bob is smart. __________________ Chad Rhodes 2113 I/SA

03-30-2011, 10:55 AM	#2
jmcarter VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Richmond Hill GA (and Port Ludlow WA) Posts: 4,297 Likes: 2,383 Liked 3,182 Times in 973 Posts	Re: Ahfs I'm with Art on this one...1000%; that said I think GTX John has more important things to concentrate on right now so I would vote for just letting this whole thing rest. __________________ Jim Carter 2340 Super Stock 2340 SST/2340 Stock Set another place at the table

03-30-2011, 11:14 AM	#3
buzzinhalfdozen Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Bellevue Ohio Posts: 984 Likes: 0 Liked 11 Times in 8 Posts	Re: Ahfs I agree with letting it rest, heck I don't even run Stock, however I'm confused on the issue of a DQ'd entry getting HP. I'll admit I'm not quite sharp enough to fully comprehend the ins and outs of the AHFS just seems odd to apply it this way. Heck it's their system I guess they can use it however they see fit. Joe __________________ Joe Buchanan SS/BX 3117

03-30-2011, 11:26 AM	#4
Mike Pearson VIP Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 2,451 Likes: 615 Liked 1,934 Times in 581 Posts	Re: Ahfs It works the other way also. they hit a class for a fast run but dont nessesarily tear the car down to check to see if it is 100% legal on the run. They just assume it is legal then put the penalty on the combo. I am speaking about the more tried and tested combos not the new "soft" combos as they are called. __________________ Mike Pearson 2485 SS

03-30-2011, 01:18 PM	#5
Toby Lang VIP Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Auburn, WA Posts: 2,133 Likes: 2 Liked 2 Times in 1 Post	Re: Ahfs I guess the moral of this story is: If you do the time, you pay the HP. Or: If you're not sure what it will run, lift at 1000 feet. Or: If you're not sure what the vehicle is supposed to weigh, ask somebody that does know. I don't think this is that much different than what happened to Fred Hensen. You go quick enough on a losing run, you're gonna get HP or a flag. Also, just an FYI, the truck got 14 HP not 18. -Toby

03-30-2011, 02:43 PM	#6
Ed Wright Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Sand Springs, OK Posts: 8,132 Likes: 896 Liked 390 Times in 170 Posts	Re: Ahfs Sounds about right to me. __________________ Ed Wright 4156 SS/JA

03-30-2011, 04:18 PM	#8
Ed Fernandez Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: NOO JOISEY nexta NOO YAWK Posts: 5,879 Likes: 38 Liked 100 Times in 45 Posts	Re: Ahfs You're right Toby,it was 14 HP.I mis read it.I tried to come on here when I thought NHRA finally got something right and bango,not so.Well I tried to be nice.Too bad we don't have a system here like England.When ***** goes wrong thay have no confidence elections and get a do over.We gave up that right in the early eighties.:>):>):>) __________________ Former NHRA #1945 Former IHRA #1945 T/SA

03-30-2011, 04:24 PM	#9
Toby Lang VIP Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Auburn, WA Posts: 2,133 Likes: 2 Liked 2 Times in 1 Post	Re: Ahfs Well, if the only reason they were "illegal" was because of the wrong year grill, I really wouldn't have much to complain about, would I? I believe there is a lot more to this story. When was the last time you heard of somebody being thrown out for the wrong body parts? I think it might have been just an excuse to throw them out for what happened earlier with the weight and class "mix up." -Toby

03-31-2011, 07:55 AM	#10
Greg Hill VIP Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Louisville , KY Posts: 1,995 Likes: 68 Liked 279 Times in 68 Posts	Re: Ahfs In div. 3 you get torn down if you run fast enough for an instant hit. __________________ Greg Hill 4171 STK

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