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Old 04-23-2011, 09:15 PM   #1
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Default Re: worst red light debate, again!

Does not matter. It's not going to change. Get over it or go do something else. Debating it won't change a thing. Go debate with the people that make the rules: NHRA. The people here have nothing to say about it. Makes no difference what anybody here thinks. Just does not matter what is said here. Get it?
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Old 04-23-2011, 09:26 PM   #2
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Claude,what class and car do you race in stock or superstock?
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Old 04-23-2011, 09:37 PM   #3
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I agree it does not matter But I will say this. It is a advantage if the slow car goes red but if he goes green and the faster car has to sit there for a long time before the tree comes down whos advantage is it then? Ever sat at the tree for over 10 seconds waiting for your turn? Its not easy either. I dont race S/SS but this rule will effect everybody.

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Old 04-23-2011, 09:48 PM   #4
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Thanks Rob, I guess with old age you forget things, that a great light from the slower car might cause as much stress to the faster car which in turn will equalize. Mr Kvass I ran a g/sa in the 80's to 90's and was building a m/sa but will probably stay in brackets for now. Ok, guys let's put a fork in it, you're right and I've got my answer. Thanks. cR
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Old 04-23-2011, 10:28 PM   #5
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Claude,I don't spell my last name like that.
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Old 04-23-2011, 10:46 PM   #6
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Shawn , Claude's a good guy. I'm sure that's a typo. He'll edit it if he sees this.

I heard that Isaac Zane had to change his name to "Issac" , thanks to this forum. LOL
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Sorry Shawn, hope you won't mind me using your first name just an mistake. Thanks to everyone.Claude
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I agree it does not matter But I will say this. It is a advantage if the slow car goes red but if he goes green and the faster car has to sit there for a long time before the tree comes down whos advantage is it then? Ever sat at the tree for over 10 seconds waiting for your turn? Its not easy either. I dont race S/SS but this rule will effect everybody.
Using ED's logic, if you don't like sitting there a long time, BUY A SLOW CAR.

If you think that's skewed logic, I agree; but it cuts both ways...
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Doesn't matter what you or I think Bill, it ain't gonna change because a small group complains about it here. Talk to N & I HRA. No leverage here. Surely your bright enough to get that. Ten (or fewer) guys on an Internet message board is not going to change that.

Btw, I don't leave 2nd five times a year. Div 4 SS is run over with 8 second hood scoop cars. I most always leave first. Doesn't bother me, or most others, the way it is. Change or not, I don't care. Regurgitating this over and over here (especially without popular support) won't change anything.
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Doesn't matter what you or I think Bill, it ain't gonna change because a small group complains about it here. Talk to N & I HRA. No leverage here. Surely your bright enough to get that. Ten (or fewer) guys on an Internet message board is not going to change that.

Btw, I don't leave 2nd five times a year. Div 4 SS is run over with 8 second hood scoop cars. I most always leave first. Doesn't bother me, or most others, the way it is. Change or not, I don't care. Regurgitating this over and over here (especially without popular support) won't change anything.
Yes, Ed, I have agreed that this rule will probably NEVER change, but not for the reasons you profess.

It won't change because NHRA has lost its soul, and the people who at one time, would have moved heaven and earth to make a change (like they did with the "first to break out" rule, remember?) to a more equitable and fair rule, have moved on in one way or another, and are not to be found at NHRA any more. If it's not going to benefit the NHRA coffers, it's not going to happen.

But, the facts are:

In handicapped racing as regards Stock Eliminattor and Super Stock Eliminator, , there is an unequal red light jeopardy that manifests itself anytime the racing is anything but heads up.

If the first car to leave red lights, the second car has been deprived of the responsibility to cut a better (less offensive) light than the competition in the other lane.

Why would you want to implement such an advantage for EITHER car???

Electronic technology that was not available in 1963, when this system came into play, now exists, to rectify this unfair situation. Not to put it to use is to ignore the great efforts that NHRA has made (until rececently) to make racing as fair and equitable as it could be.

All those hours in the teardown barn are directed at that very proposition. That kind of thinking has been part and parcel of this sport's soul since its inception.

Then, this issue comes along, and the small effort to fix it is just more than NHRA wants to take on???

Guess so...
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