worst red light debate, again!

[bill dedman]

Originally Posted by Chad Rhodes

not this **** again, really? i expect it every 6 months to a year, but hell its only been like 3 months. give it a rest, i mean can we wait for another horse to die before you beat it?

It will be a dead horse when somebody, anybody, posts a good, reasonable, legitimate reason why it should not be changed.

That hasn't happened in twenty kazillion posts from people who give a million and one reasons why they don't WANT to see it changed, but never from anyone who can tell me:

1. what is fair about it, as it stands.
2. how changing it will impact racing (as we know it) in any negative way.
3. any LEGITIMATE reason NOT to change it.

Instead, people post, "Oh, not again!!!" messages to try to negate the real reasons why It needs to be changed, and personal insults and ridicule from people who, when they can't come up with sensible comments advocating leaving it alone, try to direct attention away from the factual issues at hand, and rely on "killing the messenger"...

They can't defend it, because, it's so unnecessarily unfair to the first car to leave, it's indefensible.

Until someone comes up with a defense of the current rule, (not gonna happen!) and proves that changing it to a "worse red light" rule would be some sort of a mistake, it will live on in infamy as proof positive that NHRA cares little or nothing about the fairness of their rules.

This is not just about "slow" cars vs. fast cars. ANY 2 cars, a AA/SA vs. an A/SA car that run handicap races against each other, for example, are affected.

Not a dead horse at all... yet.

[Casey Miles]

Originally Posted by bill dedman

It will be a dead horse when somebody, anybody, posts a good, reasonable, legitimate reason why it should not be changed.

That hasn't happened in twenty kazillion posts from people who give a million and one reasons why they don't WANT to see it changed, but never from anyone who can tell me:

1. what is fair about it, as it stands.
2. how changing it will impact racing (as we know it) in any negative way.
3. any LEGITIMATE reason NOT to change it.

Instead, people post, "Oh, not again!!!" messages to try to negate the real reasons why It needs to be changed, and personal insults and ridicule from people who, when they can't come up with sensible comments advocating leaving it alone, try to direct attention away from the factual issues at hand, and rely on "killing the messenger"...

They can't defend it, because, it's so unnecessarily unfair to the first car to leave, it's indefensible.

Until someone comes up with a defense of the current rule, (not gonna happen!) and proves that changing it to a "worse red light" rule would be some sort of a mistake, it will live on in infamy as proof positive that NHRA cares little or nothing about the fairness of their rules.

This is not just about "slow" cars vs. fast cars. ANY 2 cars, a AA/SA vs. an A/SA car that run handicap races against each other, for example, are affected.

Not a dead horse at all... yet.

I'm in agreement with Bill, people seem to ridicule you if you have a different point of view on this site. Not everyone is whinning about rules that should have been changed years ago to make competition on an evan playing field for everyone. If you don't agree with the comments, put up an arguement why it shouldn't be changed, rather then just demean the person who made the statement.
As far as deep staging, the only reason the pre-stage light is there is to let you know that you are close to the starting line, without that light, alot of people would never be able to stage period.

Casey Miles
248H Stock?

[Chad Rhodes]

Originally Posted by Casey Miles

I'm in agreement with Bill, people seem to ridicule you if you have a different point of view on this site. Not everyone is whinning about rules that should have been changed years ago to make competition on an evan playing field for everyone. If you don't agree with the comments, put up an arguement why it shouldn't be changed, rather then just demean the person who made the statement.
As far as deep staging, the only reason the pre-stage light is there is to let you know that you are close to the starting line, without that light, alot of people would never be able to stage period.

Casey Miles
248H Stock?

no one is being ridiculed for having a different opinion. I have said before that i am not opposed to it, really don't care one way or the other. However i have said time and again that stock/ss is not the place to test a new system, bracket racing would be best for that, start from the ground up. NO ONE built a car and decided to go racing without knowing how the system worked, if it bothers you that much, quit. This issue is not even in the top 10 of things that concern 95% of class racers with what is going on at NHRA right now.

People are being ridiculed because they are a one trick pony, and are beating to death a subject which is not going to change any time soon. This keeps getting brought up, and the same crap happens. It reminds me of Ralph Nader constantly running for president. Everyone knows he doesn't stand a snowballs chance in hell, but you will see small groups of his supporters, and they look like idiots.

[Ed Wright]

In the end, Bill's ( or anybody else's) long-azzed rants do not matter. It won't change.

[Casey Miles]

Originally Posted by Chad Rhodes

no one is being ridiculed for having a different opinion. I have said before that i am not opposed to it, really don't care one way or the other. However i have said time and again that stock/ss is not the place to test a new system, bracket racing would be best for that, start from the ground up. NO ONE built a car and decided to go racing without knowing how the system worked, if it bothers you that much, quit. This issue is not even in the top 10 of things that concern 95% of class racers with what is going on at NHRA right now.

People are being ridiculed because they are a one trick pony, and are beating to death a subject which is not going to change any time soon. This keeps getting brought up, and the same crap happens. It reminds me of Ralph Nader constantly running for president. Everyone knows he doesn't stand a snowballs chance in hell, but you will see small groups of his supporters, and they look like idiots.

No body is saying that the program is going to change, but why was X-talk introduced? It was a way that both drivers could see the same light come on in Box bracket racing, in escence they are both leaving off the same light. Since we aren't using Boxes in S/SS, the rational would be to make it fair for both racers to have to at least make an attemp at the tree without the other one's knowlege of what happened in the other lane.
We are not idiots and not going to quit, just seeing the forest though the trees.
Just because you think that Ralf Nader and his supporters are jerks, they are keeping the checks and balances of politics alive so that you can say your opionions.

Casey Miles
248H Stock?

[Chad Rhodes]

Originally Posted by Casey Miles

No body is saying that the program is going to change, but why was X-talk introduced? It was a way that both drivers could see the same light come on in Box bracket racing, in escence they are both leaving off the same light. Since we aren't using Boxes in S/SS, the rational would be to make it fair for both racers to have to at least make an attemp at the tree without the other one's knowlege of what happened in the other lane.
We are not idiots and not going to quit, just seeing the forest though the trees.
Just because you think that Ralf Nader and his supporters are jerks, they are keeping the checks and balances of politics alive so that you can say your opionions.

Casey Miles
248H Stock?

Casey, ralph nader and his crew are totally irrelevant in today's politics

[John Kelley]

Originally Posted by Chad Rhodes

I have said before that i am not opposed to it, really don't care one way or the other. .

RIGHT.............Sure you aren't !! hahahahahaha....hahahaha......