worst red light debate, again!

[SStockDart]

I, like many, spent way too much time on this site. I have been following this thread from the beginning, telling myself..........Oh S--- , not again. I believe that I have seen one person referring to NHRA officials as "Idiots". IMO, only a non racer would make that comment. Certainly, those of us that do race would risk being torn down at every event. I have seen "tell me why that is fair", referring to first versus worst, countless times. Let me ask the question: provided both drivers stay in their respective lanes, "How frequently does the driver that cuts the best light and runs closer to their dial win?" The answer: 100% How can you get more fair than that??? We, as drivers know this and I believe that is our intentions each and every time we race. So, forget the first or worst debate, it is a non issue. So the rules for winning are simply stated "cut the best light and run the number, and you win every time". The rules for losers are to foul then bitch about it not being fair. Not once have I heard a fellow racer tell me they lost via red light, then bitch about it or say "It's not fair, the other guy didn't have a chance to red light". We have rules for a reason. Only a fool would go out and build a 1948 Hudson (no offense to the Hudson fans) to run stock eliminator, only to go to the races and find that they can't run it because it is not in the class guide. Some on this thread would probably content that it is unfair and attempt to use twisted logic to change the rules for a problem they created for themself. And isn't a problem for the first red light a problem they created for themselves? I would recommend that those trying to use "Fairness logic" to change the rules, use this energy, and apply their relentless enthusiasm to good use elswhere. Such as: Why is it fair that only selected children get free lunches at school and others have to pay for them through property taxes? Why is it fair that selected ethnicities have more rights than others? How is diversity fair? How is it fair that illegals get free everything? Why don't you tackle important issues and leave the "first or worst" alone?

[Ed Fernandez]

I just checked the entry list for Englishtown (Stock is full) and I see I'm the slowest turtle in the pond.Bill,please get on the horn with NHRA and get that red light rule changed fast.If I happen to get lucky and go some rounds I want the playing field leveled so I can win my first "big" Wally.

Thanks
Ed

[bill dedman]

Originally Posted by Ed Fernandez

I just checked the entry list for Englishtown (Stock is full) and I see I'm the slowest turtle in the pond.Bill,please get on the horn with NHRA and get that red light rule changed fast.If I happen to get lucky and go some rounds I want the playing field leveled so I can win my first "big" Wally.

Thanks
Ed

That may be your big chance to win a national event, Ed. It would be the exquisite irony if you had a "first red light" in the final, and your opponent bulbed worse...

Of course, it wouldn't matter, the way the rules are, now....

You'd still be a loser...

[Pvt Parts]

Originally Posted by Ed Fernandez

I just checked the entry list for Englishtown (Stock is full) and I see I'm the slowest turtle in the pond.Bill,please get on the horn with NHRA and get that red light rule changed fast.If I happen to get lucky and go some rounds I want the playing field leveled so I can win my first "big" Wally.

Thanks
Ed

Good luck Ed. I was at Englishtown 3 different times, in three different cars, in 3 different classes in 2 different eliminators and was runner up all three times. Maybe you can nail it.

[Pvt Parts]

Originally Posted by Pvt Parts

Good luck Ed. I was at Englishtown 3 different times, in three different cars, in 3 different classes in 2 different eliminators and was runner up all three times. Maybe you can nail it.

BTW, I failed to mention..... the first 2 times I red lit in the final. Once as the slower car, once as the faster car. And not anywhere, to anyone at any time have I ever blamed anything or anyone but myself for screwing up. The fairness in the rule gave me the opportunity to get back up, work on improving my driving and try again. The 3rd time both of us were green. I just got outrun, plain and simple. In all 3 cases, my opponent ran a better race than I did and deserved the win.

[Bunkster]

Originally Posted by Pvt Parts

......the first 2 times I red lit in the final....

And if...just if....your opponent would have been made to take an equal shot at the tree, you would have thought this unfair?

You would have complained about this and insisted a "first red light" rule should be established?

[Pvt Parts]

Originally Posted by Bunkster

And if...just if....your opponent would have been made to take an equal shot at the tree, you would have thought this unfair?

You would have complained about this and insisted a "first red light" rule should be established?

No way. I don't whine, cry and complain about anything. I don't ask anyone to give me anything. I have had 2 jobs my entire life that paid by the hour and they were both short lived. Since then I've worked on commission or owned my own business. I alone am responsible for my successes and I alone am responsible for my failures or losses. I believe that and apply it in every facet of my life, including racing. Everyone's rule book reads the same. I knew what the rules were when I entered the race. When you make a mistake and you lose, at least be man enough to admit it or stay home.

[Bunkster]

Originally Posted by Pvt Parts

No way. I don't whine, cry and complain about anything. I don't ask anyone to give me anything. I have had 2 jobs my entire life that paid by the hour and they were both short lived. Since then I've worked on commission or owned my own business. I alone am responsible for my successes and I alone am responsible for my failures or losses. I believe that and apply it in every facet of my life, including racing. Everyone's rule book reads the same. I knew what the rules were when I entered the race. When you make a mistake and you lose, at least be man enough to admit it or stay home.

That is a quite impressive resume you have. You should be very, very proud of yourself. (What, though, that has to do with the price of ice cream in Kandahar, is a mystery.)

Thank you though for stating, one way or another, you don’t care. If it were changed to a “worst” foul start, that would be fine with you. As you mentioned, you won’t whine or moan about anything.

[FINESPLINE]

Originally Posted by Pvt Parts

No way. I don't whine, cry and complain about anything. I don't ask anyone to give me anything. I have had 2 jobs my entire life that paid by the hour and they were both short lived. Since then I've worked on commission or owned my own business. I alone am responsible for my successes and I alone am responsible for my failures or losses. I believe that and apply it in every facet of my life, including racing. Everyone's rule book reads the same. I knew what the rules were when I entered the race. When you make a mistake and you lose, at least be man enough to admit it or stay home.

Scott , I tip my hat to you. Maybe you could pass some of that information onto the new generation. It truly is refreshing to hear there are people taking responsibility for themselves. The only way to live ! ---John

[SStockDart]

I don't know why I waste my time with this, but I just had to go back and take a look. In my last 26 National Events, I have red lit 5 times in competition. Two times in heads up runs (lost to a faster car each time), and 3 times as the "chaser". I have had eleven people red light against me. Seven of them were slower cars and I did not go red against them. Four of those were faster cars and I had already gone green. I know, I know, Bill. This doesn't matter, does it?